Week 2 Recap — Power Cleaned Transcript
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Transcript
Ty Hildenbrandt — 00:18
Verballers, whether you are watching us live or listening perhaps on Sunday morning over a nice cup of tea or coffee, we have got quite a bit to discuss. Dan Rubenstein, welcome back, my good friend. How are you today?
Dan Rubenstein — 00:34
Quick pitch, Ty. Quick, quick, quick pitch. What if we in lieu of talking Oregon Oklahoma State and how we feel about that game? What if we re-broadcast today's Nationals Orioles game without the express written consent of Major League Baseball, thus submarining our show via copyright strike after copyright strike and we can just move on with our lives. Yes?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:03
My good friend, I am not gonna let you off the hook that easily. I can't, not after all these years, we've got to talk about that game. Season is off and running, my friend. We had our first crazy week. It was week two. A hell of a day for the state of Oklahoma. To say the absolute very least, we had a wild finish in Austin that just finished up a short while ago. What else? We had an 84-point win by James Madison.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:32
Of course.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:33
We had a crazy finish in a USF game. Kudos to the Van Buren boys. We had all sorts of craziness go down in the wide world of college football. I'm wearing my Virginia Tech shirt from our good friends over at Sons of Saturday. How metal is this shirt, man?
Dan Rubenstein — 01:48
Yeah it's great, a great shirt. Shout out Gobbler Country.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:53
Virginia Tech with a 44 to 21 win over Old Dominion getting a little bit of revenge. Um look for me I felt a bit of culture shock in week two.
Dan Rubenstein — 02:03
Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 02:03
I felt a bit of culture shock because seeing how some teams came back down to earth, ones that I didn't expect, seeing how some others sort of rebounded in a way that felt unexpected. it was like week one all over again, in a sense, where I felt like I was still getting to know many of these teams that we had formed semi-lucid opinions on a week ago. Week two comes around, we sort of throw the whole damn thing out the window.
Dan Rubenstein — 02:33
Yeah, no, you're totally right. And I've been uh hammering this uh to you all day long that I've sort of treated some of the results as sort of a product of like a nepo week, right, where there's like, what has this team done to earn this line? And I'm ashamed of myself for not leaning into that stronger. But this was a terrific week. This was obviously a terrific week, no matter who you root for, even if you are disappointed like I am, and some of the humans that I associate with are disappointed, uh, or with whom I associate. Uh you can appreciate the madness in different parts of this sport. And so uh I'm very excited to get into it. I have a lot of thoughts, um, almost entirely positive save for one very specific part of my brain. But yes, I am quite excited.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 03:25
If you are watching live either on YouTube or TikTok or somewhere on X, the everything app, please give us a holler. We've been asking throughout the day to tell us to fill in the blanks. I'm a blank fan, and right now I am feeling blank so if you want to drop that in the chat, we'd love to hear from you. We'll get to that after our Reverbs here in just a short while. And then of course, now that we've got pretty much a full week of games to discuss, unlike last week. We will get to the portion of the episode where we will actually talk through the ballot that I am going to cast at like 3 a.m. Eastern time, whenever we get done doing our editing, for our AP Top 25 vote. So would love to hear from the Verballerhood on that and much, much more. Please hit us up in the comments if you're new here. Rate, review, and subscribe, Dan. Um, okay we should probably start with Texas twenty-four, Ohio State 23. Should we not?
Dan Rubenstein — 04:20
I agree, we should.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 04:22
For most of the night. For most of the night. This was not the version of Texas that I expected in this game for about three quarters. We had Arch Manning struggling. We had them turning it over. We had Ohio State very much dictating the pace of play in this game. We had Texas going down 23-3 at the start of the fourth quarter. There were plenty of opportunities in this game for Texas to basically just throw in the towel and say this is not our night. And so I feel like I learned a lot about the Texas Longhorns in the fourth quarter, especially. But their stick to it to find a way, Arch Manning going from being sort of a problem or a little bit unsettled early to basically leading the comeback. And then finally Texas taking advantage of an opening a little bit late in that game to grab the dub very, very late. I just feel like we can say definitively that Texas is in the contender tier. I think we expected that. When we started talking up this game, but what I learned the most about the Texas Longhorns tonight was that they refused to let a bad night end in a loss. And as Texas fans who listen to this show and have written in over the years know all too well, there have been too many moments like that. Tonight wasn't one of those nights.
Dan Rubenstein — 05:43
It was a sloppy night for a lot of this night for Texas, right? The mistakes were somewhere between dumb and Freak mistakes, right? That there were the the muffed punt that they were able to recover and another fumble on that drive that they were like miraculously able to recover. the freak fumble or the not a fumble, but the interception that bobbled off of Cam Coleman and his outstretched arms and body on a beautiful pass from Arch Manning early on in the game that resulted in Ohio State interception. And just uh an out-of-sync Arch Manning in the passing game and a rushing attack that couldn't get into any bit of a rhythm. And it showed on the scoreboard, right, that they're down 20 points. And Ohio State, to their credit, Julian Sayin did a nice job of finding Jeremiah Smith. I mean, it was by and large Jeremiah Smith and a couple of tight ends. I think that's a a part of this story that is also, you know where we should go a little bit in that we've had all of these years of Ohio State filthy rich with receiving talent. This was Jeremiah Smith and essentially only Jeremiah Smith as a true wide receiver contributing to this game for four quarters. That's not good enough for Ohio State. That's that wasn't good enough for Ohio State to close this game out, but that's the in that's the only true wide receiver that they could count on. Julian Sayin made plays. Julian Sayin had a largely good game. He fell off in the second half, uh, to some degree, but still very good. And to Ryan Day's credit, he knew that this was even as it seemed like it was getting out of reach for Texas, he knew that it was gonna go four full quarters and Ohio State battled. The defense made plays and did everything it could. But that was an interesting subplot to me. Obviously, the biggest plot of this game is the Texas comeback. It's the ability for Texas to find yardage, for Arch Manning to improvise and find those tough yards. And keep coming even when it wasn't the most accurate. It wasn't the receivers uh having the cleanest day for Texas. They kept pushing and that was the story to me that the attitude from this Texas team seemed to reflect a desire to just not go away. And they won their clunker. And a bunch of teams won their clunker today. Winning is a skill. And it seems like for the first time in a minute, Texas is able to win a game like this. Uh whereas in previous years against similar opponents you can go back to last year against Ohio State, you can go back to games against Georgia. It just didn't seem to be coursing through the Texas vein like it was tonight. And we'll see if that persists. We'll see if that continues. Um, but came away super impressed with Texas finding a way to get out with a win.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 08:32
Yeah, I mean Ohio State very much demonstrated that they could control Texas. They did it for the first three quarters, but they did not demonstrate that they could kill Texas.
Dan Rubenstein — 08:36
Yeah. Right.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 08:42
And look, what are the ramifications of this? Both teams have really difficult schedules. Ohio State's got Obviously their Big Ten schedule in front of them. Maybe we can discuss that, if not on this episode at some point in the very near future. Whoever came out of this one with a win definitely has a leg up with regard to the playoff. That being said, these are two high-level teams. It was a one-point game. I don't think it's going to hurt Ohio State too dramatically. We can talk about that as well as we get into our AP Top 25.
Dan Rubenstein — 09:12
Definitely.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 09:12
What makes this loss hurt on the Ohio State side is that they sort of built the game that they wanted for three quarters and then couldn't finish it out. You know, like they had it where they wanted it. It felt like they had full control of this one for a good chunk of the first half, at least they were running directly at. Texas, I had posted this online that they were running directly at Texas, right at the interior of that line, which is something that we talked about in the preview, right?
Dan Rubenstein — 09:35
And it works.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 09:42
They were running directly at them. They were getting good yards. They had Texas as a defense off balance. And then the game changed and Ohio State couldn't really change with it late. And so I'm sure there will be commentary afterwards. I'd love to hear from Matt Patricia. I'd love to hear from Ryan Day. I'd love to hear what they were doing on defense because it felt like the defense definitely backed off. Definitely played a little bit more soft coverage, gave Texas a little bit more room to operate. Would love to know the thinking behind that. Would love to know just the thinking of the strategy in the fourth quarter. This was a high-level game. I don't want to knock Ohio State too much, but they did give up twenty-one unanswered points in the fourth quarter to go down and end sh end up losing this one in Austin.
Dan Rubenstein — 10:18
Yeah. Yeah, had the missed field goal, not an easy field goal, especially on the road.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 10:24
No, no, no.
Dan Rubenstein — 10:24
I think it was forty-three, forty-five yards, something like that. Um and yeah, a couple drives there that got them nothing and didn't take any time off of the clock for Ohio State. Minute, minute and a half, three and outs, and Yeah, the neither of the running games really exploded, but there were a lot of tough runs for these running backs in this game and I don't know. A great win for Texas. We'll see what it means moving forward. Weirdly enough, three straight power conference losses for Ohio State. Is that correct? Miami, Indiana, and now Texas. If you if you know carrying over from season to season is a thing. It's just a very strange run of games given what we've seen from Ohio State these past few years. But Yeah, I think Ohio State will be fine. The schedule is not especially forgiving, although perhaps a visit from a green and yellow team from the Pacific Northwest doesn't loom quite as large. Perhaps? Who's to say? Um but yeah, I mean Texas obviously has it in front of them as well, but this is certainly something that you're like, okay, Texas has found uh a new kind of gear as they uh as they ramp up for the rest of their schedule.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 11:38
Can I say something here to close this out without anyone getting mad at me?
Dan Rubenstein — 11:43
Probably not. I mean you can, but I'm saying people will largely get upset no matter what you have to say. Unless it's like golden retrievers seem cool.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 11:51
Well, depends on the golden retriever.
Dan Rubenstein — 11:53
It depends on the golden retriever.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 11:53
That's a s that's a separate conversation. Um we've talked about the Ohio State schedule. Yeah. Tough schedule. Much tougher schedule. We've also talked about the possibility. Specifically with regard to SEC teams, not Big Ten teams, but we've we've talked about the possibility of a three-loss team trying to make some sort of playoff case. I don't honestly believe that this Ohio State team, for how good they look for three quarters, is going to finish with three losses. But they do have a tough schedule. I don't think it's beyond the realm.
Dan Rubenstein — 12:22
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 12:24
Ohio State finishing 9-3 with this one-point loss. Clearly the other two losses would matter in this hypothetical scenario. But this is almost the exact situation I've been talking about all preseason with regard to a three-loss team trying to make some sort of playoff case. This would be the case. This would be the situation where you feel like you would still have a case. Nick Saban was talking about the close loss thing on game day earlier today. I know you took exception to that Um I just I don't know.
Dan Rubenstein — 12:51
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 12:54
I don't think we'll have to deal with that, but don't be surprised if we do later on in the season, Dan Rubenstein.
Dan Rubenstein — 12:59
Sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 13:00
This was a hell of a game. It was a hell of a finish. Again, your final score was 24-23. That being said, Dan Rubenstein, okay. We had a game in Stillwater, Oklahoma. It was hot. It was delayed.
Dan Rubenstein — 13:19
Yeah it was lightning was the delay, not the heat, but yes.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 13:19
39 to 31 was your final. I am gonna turn this one over to you.
Dan Rubenstein — 13:28
You don't have to.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 13:29
Let me start by saying this. Oklahoma State deserves all the flowers. They deserve all the flowers for refocusing in the manner that they did after losing to Tulsa in week one, looking like crap in the process.
Dan Rubenstein — 13:43
Mm-hmm.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 13:46
And then bouncing back to pull off an upset like this, in which they were the better team. This was not like a fluke win or anything like that, a couple lucky breaks. They were the better team in this game.
Dan Rubenstein — 13:59
It was nearly a fluke loss at at some point rather than a fluke win. they really did take care of business. They had the two pick six-ish plays that could have swung it, but continue.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 14:09
This was not a fluke win by Oklahoma State. They were the better side here. And in doing so, they basically turned their season around in week two, which is crazy. But given the way that things went down in week one, like this is a pretty significant moment for Eric Morris and the new regime at Oklahoma State. So talk about that in a moment. A large portion of our audience right now is wondering why Oregon looks so unfocused.
Dan Rubenstein — 14:38
Sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 14:38
Or why they have looked so unfocused the first two weeks of the season. It wasn't just this week. We did not see much improvement after week one. Something we often talk about here, right? You see the most improvement between week one and week two. I don't feel like we saw that from Oregon. I'm at a loss to make sense of this one.
Dan Rubenstein — 14:54
Right.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 14:56
I'm at a loss as to why. This is where I take the baton and hand it off to you, good sir. What do you make of this?
Dan Rubenstein — 15:03
Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 15:04
How do you interpret this? Help us understand. What this meant to the Oregon program, how they found themselves in this predicament, and now how the rest of us should react to it. What does this mean?
Dan Rubenstein — 15:18
What does it mean? Um I mean the word I keep coming back to is preparation. Oklahoma State was better prepared to succeed uh the game plan had this team better prepared to execute successfully the players were better uh.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 15:27
Pokes.
Dan Rubenstein — 15:34
Better prepared, better on the field, better in in basically every facet. And you can look at recruiting rankings and say Oregon has better talent. You doesn't matter, right? They played this game between sidelines and end zones and Oklahoma State, the score, as Dan Lanning mentioned, was not indicative of the actual back and forth of this game. There were two plays for the Oregon defense that kept this Oregon team in the game. Drew Mestemaker was terrific. Had time to be terrific. Had time thanks to a beat up patchwork offensive line in front of him to be terrific, staring down an Oregon defensive line. That was supposed to be one of the best in the country. Certainly did not show that today was in sync with his receivers. Obviously the history he has with Wyatt Young was on full display in this one. Caleb Hawkins was able to ground out a ton of tough yards and get some big yards on big plays had some big moment situations that obviously he was able to capitalize on. Oklahoma State was better coached, they were better prepared. And once again, this was not a big game for Oregon. Oregon's big circled games are against more storied programs than Oklahoma State. Maybe not better this year. I don't know what Oklahoma State's gonna be. But Oregon did not circle this game. I assume, from afar, in the way that perhaps they look at other opponents like USC and Ohio State or whoever. And they went to Stillwater. You can say it's a body clock game who cares? Sure, they knew it was coming. They knew that this kickoff time was coming. You can say it was hot, it was delayed, same temperature for Oklahoma State, same delay for Oklahoma State Oklahoma State got to watch Oregon tape. Oregon got to watch Oklahoma State tape. And Dan Lanning made a note that they were caught off guard. Maybe my words, not his, by what Oklahoma State didn't show on tape ahead of this one. Preparation. I don't know where Oregon goes from here, but in watching this game, the best thing I could say about Oregon was, Wow, those two defensive plays might just be enough for them to steal this one late, a game that they did not earn nor deserve. And that was the best I could say. Dante Moore, if you were to tell me he's injured, wouldn't surprise me. If he were at 100% health, they'd probably still lose this game. He did not look like himself when you watched other games today and you watched the urgency from a lot of quarterbacks, not even like athletic dual threat type quarterbacks, but like you watch somebody like Noah Fifita or Bear Bachmeyer in that game. They're like, how can I get every yard all of the time? Dante Moore didn't play like that and so I don't know if it's him not trusting his body. I don't know if it's him not feeling the urgency of the moment, but watching Dante Moore not be able to assess a pass rush, not trust his own offensive line, sometimes for good reason made me think that this was an Oregon team not ready to play. And I don't know if that falls on Dan Lanning. I don't know if that falls on Drew Mehringer, the offensive coordinator. I don't know if it falls on the offensive line coach, the offensive linemen in front of him, the receivers, the running backs didn't do anything. Oregon's run game is all of a sudden broken it seems, after the Boise State and Oklahoma State games with a new offensive coordinator, a new offensive line, Oregon had no answers. Whereas Oklahoma State looked at Oregon and said, okay, we can do this. We can do that Why don't we do this here? Oh, it's third and short. Why don't we just go and do that right now to keep this drive going? Oregon's pass rush didn't seem to be there in big moments. They made like killer-killer penalties. Oregon wasn't ready to win in the way that Oklahoma State was. And I think it's a really, really poor reflection on everybody running the Oregon program. Oklahoma State, by the way, you look at their schedule. All of a sudden, if they look like this every week, you're like, they're 10 and 2, 11 in one team. There's nobody on this schedule right now after like Texas Tech.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 19:20
Yeah. Ty isn't wrong, Ty's just early, as the saying goes.
Dan Rubenstein — 19:25
Ty's just early, as the saying goes. But like, if Texas Tech is struggling to separate from Oregon State, as you know, Houston at times, and we respect the Beavers here on this show, and all things, what is it, Braden Atkinson?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 19:38
My guy, man, gunslinger.
Dan Rubenstein — 19:40
Well it's I think it's Legree the freshman receiver too for for the Beaves. He's real good.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 19:44
It's incredible.
Dan Rubenstein — 19:45
Um Oregon has to figure things out quickly. Now they get Portland State. They will not struggle with Portland State, I believe, on Friday night. But in terms of Oregon as a national championship contender, as a Big Ten contender Now this is this is Alamo Dan right now and I'm not talking about Rubenstein, okay? Dan Lanning and the Oregon program need to figure out they've got what two weeks.
Dan Rubenstein — 20:12
To figure out what kind of team they think they can be this year and figure out how to put that in place. Because right now, we've got Alamo Dan on our hands.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 20:21
I mean, you're gonna take this team on the road to USC?
Dan Rubenstein — 20:21
That's it. I mean, not personally I'm not, but.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 20:27
Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? This the this version of Oregon Isn't gonna sniff USC with how good USC's offense is. Even if USC's defense is improved, it still could be better than Oklahoma State's.
Dan Rubenstein — 20:40
Okay, well, sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 20:44
And by the way, Oklahoma State on defense played really well and held Oregon to 90 yards rushing.
Dan Rubenstein — 20:50
Totally.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 20:51
In this game. This was a defensive line that got bullied by Tulsa and suddenly they're holding their own against Oregon who, you know, look I'll point the finger at us. We both had Oregon making a deep playoff run, if not winning the national championship.
Dan Rubenstein — 21:06
Sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 21:07
So whatever it is. There is definitely a preparation question that needs to be discussed here this week after this result on the Oregon side of things.
Dan Rubenstein — 21:18
No, no, no.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 21:19
You know, and I don't want to take anything away from Oklahoma State because they clearly were prepared. Drew Mestemaker looked every bit the part of a pro prospect. Three hundred and seventeen passing yards also ran for a hundred and nine and a touchdown. Big gains for Caleb Hawkins and Wyatt Young, both of whom came with Eric Morris and Mestemaker from North Texas.
Dan Rubenstein — 21:40
Mm-hmm.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 21:40
Um even their offensive line held their own. This is an offensive line that lost their starting left tackle like five plays into the season a week ago against Tulsa.
Dan Rubenstein — 21:49
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 21:49
A gruesome injury that we've had people write in and say we're not surprised they lost the Tulsa because we don't know how they could get over that.
Dan Rubenstein — 21:56
Other guys were beat up on the offensive line today, hobbling off the field.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 21:58
Yeah. So the fact that Oregon cannot get pressure.
Dan Rubenstein — 21:59
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 22:02
On Drew Mestemaker, the fact that they cannot get a push on a defensive line that Tulsa pushed around a week ago. There is definitely a softness here going on with Oregon that somebody needs to figure out. And I don't know if it's a Dan Lanning thing. I don't know if it's an assistant coach thing. I don't know if it's the players feel entitled thing. I don't know what it is. But on the Oregon side, this was an embarrassing loss. On the Oklahoma State side.
Dan Rubenstein — 22:30
Unreal.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 22:30
Week one was a mulligan. Week one was a mulligan, this is a much bigger win, and you could definitely build off of this.
Dan Rubenstein — 22:33
Buddy if you told me that the Oklahoma State inside linebacker noticed that the left guard would like the what what was the uh like the Bill Belichick story about was it Carl Banks? Did you see that thing.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 22:47
Oh yeah.
Dan Rubenstein — 22:49
Where he would notice a tight end wiggling his fingers or something every time it was a pass. Um if you told me the inside linebacker noticed that Oregon's left guard or right tackle or tight end or something like that Would like take a deep breath before a run and they knew every time, like, oh that actually makes a lot more sense. Right I'm I'm like in my head about like oh Oregon has like a bunch of 31-year-old coaches because Dan Lanning doesn't want to be challenged and doesn't want to lose coordinators like he did last season. Oklahoma State's defensive coordinators 31 Skyler Cassity! Great day for Skyler Cassity! Dude's gonna sleep like a rock tonight! So I don't know, man. I just Look, it's week two. Oregon has time. If they have it in them, they have time to get it figured out.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 23:32
They didn't play a conference game yet. They didn't play a conference game yet. They could beat they can beat all these teams, you know.
Dan Rubenstein — 23:37
By the way.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 23:39
They've got enough talent. You can even see the talent on display in this game. You could see it's there.
Dan Rubenstein — 23:44
For sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 23:45
They just it was like they didn't care.
Dan Rubenstein — 23:48
By the way, I mean you're you're saying like USC minus anything. We're talking about a USC team once again. San Jose State, Fresno State, Louisiana.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 23:56
I'm not saying minus anything. I'm just saying you're gonna take this version of Oregon to USC?
Dan Rubenstein — 24:04
Personally, I am not. Ooh, they have some they have some work.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 24:06
But you, but.
Dan Rubenstein — 24:08
They're they gotta work on themselves, right? They gotta sit down on a couch and really look internally if they want anything from this year.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 24:16
I mean it was just an embarrassing showing for them, but I again I give all due credit to Oklahoma State. This was quite a performance for them and uh Really good bounce back effort after losing a week ago in the manner that they did to Tulsa.
Dan Rubenstein — 24:27
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 24:30
There was another game earlier in the day, Dan Rubenstein. That um was basically a rock fight in a phone booth. I think is the right way to classify it.
Dan Rubenstein — 24:40
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 24:43
It was a very defensive game. Michigan and Oklahoma were a combined seven for 26 on third downs. There was 24 Havoc plays I have written down here on my sheet. That includes tackles for loss and sacks and you name it. Fumbles. Let's give credit to the Michigan defense, because the Michigan defense is what won this game.
Dan Rubenstein — 25:06
Absolutely.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 25:08
They won the turnover battle two to zip.
Dan Rubenstein — 25:09
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 25:11
They recovered Parker Livingstone's fumble in the second quarter. They also had a big interception from Jyaire Hill in the fourth quarter that basically gave Michigan a short field and led to the game-winning touchdown.
Dan Rubenstein — 25:18
Yeah. I gave him like a two ye six foot field. Yeah, I returned it to the two.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 25:26
Basically a short field, yeah.
Dan Rubenstein — 25:27
Yes.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 25:28
Um They kept saying on the broadcast that Bryce Underwood look better. I don't think that's untrue.
Dan Rubenstein — 25:38
Right. I guess it's a bar question, right?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 25:42
Yeah.
Dan Rubenstein — 25:42
It's what what how what is the height of the bar uh with which we're judging him? Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 25:48
They definitely changed the complexion of the offense. They were running Utah East. They were running the Jason Beck offense that we saw at Utah a year ago with Devin Dampier, but with Bryce Underwood.
Dan Rubenstein — 26:00
Yeah. And like thirty fewer points a game.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 26:05
Thirty zero points began.
Dan Rubenstein — 26:06
I mean, they were like Utah was very quietly one of the like fifteen most explosive offenses in America last year.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 26:12
So, as it were, we had Bryce Underwood leading Michigan with 87 yards on the ground, only threw the ball 17 times, had nine completions for 111 yards, but was a clean performance, right? Didn't turn the ball over, didn't.
Dan Rubenstein — 26:26
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 26:26
Okay, so that in and of itself I think is growth. Clearly, this is the this was a team in Michigan that was finding its identity in real time, or at least proving to us its new identity in real time. Because whatever we saw we could go against Western Michigan, which by the way is still going to count as a win, we're finding out that Michigan is still working through some stuff.
Dan Rubenstein — 26:46
Sure. No, I'm not sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 26:52
I was impressed with the defense. The offense I need to talk to you a little bit more about, but this was a very, very big one at home. As a home underdog against a team that came in number 11 in the nation?
Dan Rubenstein — 27:06
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 27:06
What was your biggest takeaway from this game? Because I have like 15 of them that I jotted down on my sheet here, but what was the biggest one for you?
Dan Rubenstein — 27:14
That we had like two Oklahomas on the field and had two Michigans on the field. Like take your pick. It was like, okay, he's not gonna be able to pass all that dependably well. Uh, but we have the defense that if we keep him to around ten points, we'll be all right. Who am I talking about? Right? Like, um, I think the more disappointing element to all of this is probably on the Oklahoma side of things, just because they knew coming into the year that this is what their worst case scenario would be as a team. That they would have the defense to stifle basically everybody, but they wouldn't have the offense to score twenty-seven points when they need to, twenty-four points when they need to, because they're not always gonna be able to keep teams down to ten, thirteen points. And so that becomes the issue when you play against Michigan. You know Michigan's limitations. You know you don't need to score a ton to beat this version of Michigan because you know Bryce Underwood isn't gonna wake up in week two and look like Joe Burrow or Cam Newton or anybody else that is like an all Lamar Jackson or take your pick.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 28:18
Kaepernick.
Dan Rubenstein — 28:22
So you're like, okay, so we probably need to score a little bit more against a quality team. And Yeah, they make the changes that they make and they bring in new personnel and new assistant coaches and shifting things around a little bit on offense, like, oh, we have the guys to run how we want to really do things now. And I mean you were hammering this during the game itself. You're like, this is just last year's team with a slightly stronger John Mateer. Like his traps and delts are more impressive this year. He was missing guys, um you know, made clutch throws look very, very difficult and incomplete. And you know, the Oklahoma offense is still the Oklahoma offense and the defense did everything it needed to do. And for all of the good that Michigan's offense did at times, a great touchdown run for Bryce Underwood, um uh JJ Buchanan looks like he's going to be, if the ball comes his way, accurately enough.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 29:21
He looks really good. He looks really good.
Dan Rubenstein — 29:23
He looks really, really good. Um But the Michigan defense is now in this position where they look at their schedule and they're like we can hold some of these teams down for a good long while, but like we can't keep everybody to 10 points, 11 points.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 29:39
Well, I and I think I think that's my biggest takeaway, to be honest with you. I mean, I'm impressed by Michigan's ability to refocus because it was a very tumultuous week.
Dan Rubenstein — 29:44
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 29:49
You know, and it look, they played horribly in week one against a directional Michigan school. A good one at that, a veteran team at that, but not a team that they should lose to at home. And so they had a good week of practice, apparently, if you listen to what they had to say in the post-game and in the build-up to this one. Um, I'm still very concerned that there's only a specific way that Michigan can beat good teams. And it's like this. You know, it's holding them down to like ten to fourteen points, winning it in a rock fight in a phone booth type of situation.
Dan Rubenstein — 30:19
Right.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 30:27
I'm fairly convinced that this will come back to bite them at some point when they play one of the other better teams on their schedule.
Dan Rubenstein — 30:32
Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 30:34
But look if this is their identity, if this is what they're gonna steer into now, if they're gonna be Utah East or Iowa a little bit less east, whatever, um.
Dan Rubenstein — 30:45
Mm-hmm.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 30:46
They've got the defense to at least keep them in games. And I don't think it's going to be a scenario at all, at least it shouldn't be, where Michigan's getting blown out of the water. Like they will have a chance as long as they've got this defense. On the Oklahoma side though, the Oklahoma side is really upsetting.
Dan Rubenstein — 30:58
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 31:06
This offense in 2026 was basically copy-pasted from 2025. And nobody would ever admit as much because they worked on it in the offseason, right? They were excited about their offensive line. They had some new pieces along the offensive line, but I remember reading.
Dan Rubenstein — 31:22
Beat up. But to be fair, the offensive line is beat up.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 31:25
It's beat up.
Dan Rubenstein — 31:25
Was beat up heading into this game is beat up.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 31:27
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, absolutely.
Dan Rubenstein — 31:28
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 31:29
But it wasn't all that long ago. We were doing our previews and I was reading some of the reports from Brent Venables who felt good about nine offensive linemen in the O-line room. They felt they had depth.
Dan Rubenstein — 31:39
You don't ah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 31:40
They felt that they had not depth, not just depth along the lines, but also depth in the backfield that they had three backs that they could rely on, maybe four backs that they could rely on. John Mateer added all that muscle. You see all the shirtless pictures of him? I mean, dude's a tank, right?
Dan Rubenstein — 31:54
Yeah. Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 31:56
It's gotta be better, right? They still can't run, Dan.
Dan Rubenstein — 32:00
It's it's week two.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 32:01
They can't run.
Dan Rubenstein — 32:03
There's at least that, right?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 32:04
They can't run.
Dan Rubenstein — 32:05
Week two.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 32:06
They couldn't run in this game. And once Michigan took away Isaiah Sategna, they could barely pass. The Oklahoma offense, as I understand it, at least right now, is to snap the ball and let John Mateer run around and draw something up in the dirt. That's it. That's the offense right now.
Dan Rubenstein — 32:25
That's what it seems to.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 32:31
This is me shrugging.
Dan Rubenstein — 32:32
Yeah, that's it.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 32:32
The silence is me shrugging for people listening on the podcast. This will not be good enough. Against a schedule that at time of recording has four top ten teams remaining on it.
Dan Rubenstein — 32:45
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 32:46
It's not good enough. That's it. That's all I got. I got nothing else.
Dan Rubenstein — 32:52
Okay, well.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 32:52
I don't know what this was from Oklahoma. This was this was really disappointing. If you're an Oklahoma fan, I'd be very disappointed.
Dan Rubenstein — 33:01
Yeah. I think that's fair. And the way that they won last year left a lot to be desired, but they won, right? That you can set yourself up to win clunkers. But the risk inherent in that strategy, or it's not a strategy, but the risk inherent with not figuring out your offense and having to win like that is it's very easy to lose like that. And I don't think Michigan's that good. If you don't have an offense, if there's no threat of opening things up in the field at all, downfield at all.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 33:30
And.
Dan Rubenstein — 33:33
It's a pretty limited team. Like they scored 10 points in this game and had a two-yard drive to win it.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 33:40
I mean the reason this game was close is because it was two teams that were the same team.
Dan Rubenstein — 33:45
Right.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 33:46
It's two sides of the same coin. They're the they're the same style of football team this year.
Dan Rubenstein — 33:50
Except Kyle Whittingham's been there for an hour and a half, and Brent Venables is years in.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 33:51
But yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Dan Rubenstein — 33:56
And just got an extension.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 33:58
Exactly.
Dan Rubenstein — 33:58
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 33:59
Exactly. And Michigan did it better. Michigan, you know, did what they needed to do. And they were at home. And kudos to them because it was a tough week. But um Look, Whittingham exactly.
Dan Rubenstein — 34:11
Oh, poor Michigan. Poor week for Michigan. They got handed a win. Ooh. I know what you're saying.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 34:18
Whittingham acknowledged again after the game, they got a lot to work on. I think that much is is obvious, especially on the offensive side of the ball, but um.
Dan Rubenstein — 34:22
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 34:27
I just I am sort of overrun by the disappointment that I know our Oklahoma fan bases out there that write into us are feeling right now because.
Dan Rubenstein — 34:35
Sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 34:39
I don't see how you can feel anything different. This was an opportunity to prove that you sort of solved the problem and now belong that tier up.
Dan Rubenstein — 34:41
Buddy.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 34:46
And uh this wasn't it.
Dan Rubenstein — 34:47
An all-time Goldilocks thing going from Lincoln Riley to Brent Venables. Can we just have like a little bit of offense and a little bit of defense at the same time? Woo!
Ty Hildenbrandt — 35:02
Oh my gosh. All right.
Dan Rubenstein — 35:04
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 35:04
So look, uh I'm gonna play the Reverbs here in a second.
Dan Rubenstein — 35:07
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 35:08
I want people in our live chat to answer the question as many did online. I am a blank fan. And right now I am feeling blank.
Dan Rubenstein — 35:18
Right.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 35:19
Let us know your thoughts. We're gonna read those off in a second. In the meantime, arguably a generational reverb segment here that I'm about to play. Um I am sorry to you in advance, Dan Rubenstein. You will hear why shortly.
Dan Rubenstein — 35:33
We can't all play rice, Ty, and even then I would take Oregon minus three and a half over rice. Maybe.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 35:40
This is I would say opus level work from our Reverb engineer Shay who did it Excellent job putting these together. We got so many calls that there's so much on the cutter group for.
Dan Rubenstein — 35:49
Certainly.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 35:52
We might even have a bonus version that we put out on Patreon. People dial in throughout the course of the day in case you're wondering what I'm talking about. Our phone number is 855-Verbal3. That's 855-837-2253. The line is closed right now for the week, but we will do it again next week in week three. We take all of your voice messages. We mix them together into about a three and a half or four minute segment. We like to call it the Reverbs. Here's what y'all had to say in week two. Have a listen.
Dan Rubenstein — 37:18
Oh, Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 40:06
There you go, dad. You gotta take your medicine. I apologize.
Dan Rubenstein — 40:11
Buddy, if we get a copyright strike for having that song in the episode while I'm being taunted that would not be that fun. That would not be that fun. Very, very, very, very good set of Reverbs this week.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 40:26
Excellent calls. We appreciate the Verballerhood chiming in. Next week, we'll do it all over. Get 855-837-2253. Put it in your speed dial. We got a lot of people put it in their speed dial. 855-Verbal3 is the phone number. Good job, Shay. We had, as I said, dozens upon dozens of other calls that we could not put in. He did his best. And I think you did a really good job. So um thank you to the Verballerhood again for their outreach, for their consideration, for their concern for you, Dan.
Dan Rubenstein — 40:55
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 40:56
I had so many people writing in, like, is Can you give me a proof of life? Is he alright? What's the status? You were okay.
Dan Rubenstein — 41:03
I was I was okay. I posted an immediate reaction after the fact, like pretty quickly. I'm pretty accountable uh when Oregon does well, when they don't do super well. I try to post stuff. Um the thing that low-key hurt, Ty was I got texts from a couple of Texas friends who are like, man, we're down bad too, man. Don't you know, the these these weeks happen to the best of us and we're getting shelled by Ohio State. You had your bad day, and then Texas turned it around. And then they couldn't even relate. So that happens too. But whatever. It's college football. We move on. And as people know by now, I've always been and will continue to be a diehard UCLA fan. Go Bruins. No, go ducks forever.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 41:50
Go go ducks forever. All right. Um we've got it up on the screen here for the people watching the video, but the prompt is I'm a blank fan and I'm feeling blank.
Dan Rubenstein — 41:55
Yes.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 41:59
So we had a bunch come in here. Um, a couple of our new friends out on TikTok. Glenn says I'm a Michigan fan and I feel like my opinion about this team was justified today. Okay.
Dan Rubenstein — 42:09
Mm-hmm.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 42:10
We have someone else who says that I am a fan of Michigan losing, and I feel disappointed that they are 2-0. So there's that. Mr. Madison says I am a USC fan. I'm feeling excited.
Dan Rubenstein — 42:23
Sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 42:24
Okay. Anna says I'm a Purdue fan and I'm feeling god-awful. They lost in overtime, double overtime.
Dan Rubenstein — 42:32
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 42:32
To Wake Forest. That was an absolutely difficult beat. We had we have voice crack here who says, I'm an Iowa fan feeling the same old same old hawkeyes every year. 16 to 13 win. We're going to talk about this momentarily. And I'll read one more here. I'm a Texas fan and I'm feeling ecstatic. What do we got, Dan? We got any other ones here?
Dan Rubenstein — 42:57
Um yeah, we've got a million of 'em.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 42:58
Oh, yeah.
Dan Rubenstein — 42:59
Um I mean well first of all we have people saying like the juxtaposition of you having like kind of a shit eating grin while I have and I'm reading this verbatim. Um I'm a UCF fan and right now I'm feeling like worse Iowa. It was a tough offensive day for UCF.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 43:20
That was a really tough offensive show.
Dan Rubenstein — 43:21
It was very sloppy and soggy uh against Pitt, field-wise and weather-wise, but that was not Not a fun four quarter watch, I'm sure, if you're a UCF fan. I'm an Aggie fan and I'm feeling optimistic about our defense.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 43:34
Yeah.
Dan Rubenstein — 43:34
Um I'm a Colorado fan. I think they had Weber State, I believe, today, and I'm feeling pretty good, and that's good. Colorado having a nice quiet year in a good way. I'm a Wake fan and I'm afraid we're gonna be searching for a new coach in December. It's it's tough. I'm a Boston College fan and I'm feeling like I avoided relegation for a week. I'm an Alabama fan and I'm feeling pretty fond of the second half. Uh finally I'm a Minnesota fan and I'm feeling dunzo. At least you got that feeling pretty quickly. You weren't dragged out for four quarters like, oh maybe.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 44:06
I mean that was that was a flash fry is what that was.
Dan Rubenstein — 44:09
Yes.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 44:10
Mississippi State just beat the brakes off him from the jump.
Dan Rubenstein — 44:14
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 44:14
Um Okay, so speaking of that point, we have a bunch of other games here that I think we just sort of want to cruise around and talk about it specifically from the standpoint of Remember Jesse Spano back in the day on the Bell?
Dan Rubenstein — 44:31
Saved by the Bell. Of course. Legend. Elizabeth Berkley. Why was she? Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 44:42
We came up with this idea at about 8 30 tonight, Dan. We've never done this before, but we're calling this the SpanoMeter.
Dan Rubenstein — 44:49
Yeah, SpanoMeter, yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 44:49
And the question is, the question is, for the teams that I'm about to list off here, are we excited? Are we scared? Are we scared about being excited? Or some combination of the words?
Dan Rubenstein — 45:01
Yeah. Sc excited about being scared, which I don't know what that actually means. Uh first of all, shout out Elizabeth Berkley. Went to my high school, or rather, I went to her high school. Uh also, do you know how old that reference is? I looked up the air date of that episode. I think it was called Jesse's Story.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 45:19
Thirty two years, I don't know.
Dan Rubenstein — 45:20
Thirty-six years old, nineteen ninety.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 45:24
Great.
Dan Rubenstein — 45:25
Uh originally it was supposed to be speed, like amphetamines, but they were like, We're not airing that on Saturday morning, and they changed it to caffeine pills.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 45:25
Great I could I could use some caffeine pills right now, it's late.
Dan Rubenstein — 45:33
So shout out Yeah. Um let's go. Let's figure out excited, scared, or excited about how scared we are, or scared about how excited we are.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 45:42
Give me a SpanoMeter ruling on BYU, Dan. BYU beat Arizona 28-17. Excited, scared, scared to be excited, excited to be scared. I don't know why you would be excited to be scared, but.
Dan Rubenstein — 45:54
I'm I'm just plain excited. I'm exp I'm excited for BYU Football One because they brought a lot back. They're performing I wouldn't say the Arizona game was losable, but there were some moments I'm sure Arizona would like back. It looked like they dropped a pick six at some point with uh a new look secondary. But I liked Bear Bachmeyer, I liked LJ Martin, and I like what for a team that seems weirdly as stable as BYU mostly is, obviously some changes in the offseason, that the Big 12 isn't looking like, oh, it's just obviously Texas Tech Right, it's it's not that at all. Now there are you know teams like Oklahoma State. There are, you know, other other risers potentially. I'm excited if I'm a BYU fan for sure, especially since the game against Arizona last year was kind of a wild card in the desert that they just took care of business and there's value in that.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 46:41
Yeah, I'm I'm stock up big time on BYU. I thought they looked good. Like Arizona's a quality opponent. And in the first half, Noah Fifita got his. He was really the more efficient running quarterback in this game. But BYU got more physical in the second half. They shut down Fifita. They found that other gear. And they shut down Arizona as a whole. Like I thought Bear Bachmeyer, especially in that second half, showed real growth.
Dan Rubenstein — 47:01
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 47:05
And BYU had to win a little differently. You know, it wasn't like they controlled time of possession. They actually were out possessed by seven minutes. Like they had to show something. They still have to find, or they're proving that they can find who their weapons are, even if it's not obvious to the rest of us. It seems like Kalani Sitake's very good at that.
Dan Rubenstein — 47:23
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 47:25
So I'm with you. I'm pretty excited about BYU and in our next segment where we talk through our Top 25, I have some thoughts on maybe where we can put them.
Dan Rubenstein — 47:33
Yeah, a good boring win, and I mean that in the best possible way.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 47:36
Texas A&M and Arizona State. They played each other. A&M won forty-eight to twenty. But let's do SpanoMeter on both those teams because I think they're both in really interesting situations right now.
Dan Rubenstein — 47:44
Yeah. Okay, I think I'm I'm still kind of excited for Arizona State, though I'm scared for Cutter Boley's health with the offensive line in front of him. I'm scared for some of the low moments that happened in this game. You know, two pick sixes, one of it was just like tipped straight up and it was sort of a thick six touchdown. And the other one was just a bad contested pass that you just the timing was all off on. But there's still something about the ASU defense that they looked good enough early on, especially in this game. And they did generate enough bigger plays. I mean, it was basically only to read Harris, but there's enough meat on that bone that I'm still excited. Kyle Field against a good team. That's just tough.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 48:32
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Dan Rubenstein — 48:33
And I don't think the final score was indicative because of those touchdowns and that muffed punt early on that set up like an eight yard drive. So the score was not indicative of A&M's offensive performance specifically. It was indicative of A&M's performance overall. And A&M, if yeah, I'm I'm still a little bit scared about the offensive line stuff. Uh if I'm A&M, but big picture.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 48:51
Me too, me too.
Dan Rubenstein — 48:54
If you score like they scored and were able to throw eventually because it was a slow start like A&M was able to do, I'm excited because I'd I'd always rather win a game against a quality team with big offensive line questions. Uh I say that as an Oregon human, uh, rather than losing. So good good for A&M. I'm excited. It's gonna be a tough schedule. I still want to see more, but there's nothing I'm truly scared of with uh with A&M other than maybe slow start and offensive line stuff.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 49:23
Yeah, I'm I'm actually I'm excited about ASU. I came away more excited about ASU even though they lost by twenty-eight. This is kind of a fake blowout 'Cause this is a really good game for three quarters.
Dan Rubenstein — 49:33
Totally.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 49:34
And then the fourth quarter kinda went sideways, but um Arizona stays better than I thought. And they definitely had some sloppy moments, but again, if you cut out what happened in the fourth quarter, you don't have to squint too hard to see how ASU could be a real factor in the Big 12. You know, like Cutter Boley shows promise.
Dan Rubenstein — 49:50
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 49:52
Cutter Boley's raw. He doesn't make the best decisions.
Dan Rubenstein — 49:54
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 49:56
This has been something that people have been talking about for the last six months about Cutter Boley, even before the season started. This was, you know, the knock on him.
Dan Rubenstein — 50:01
Right.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 50:03
But um I think you can see the talent there. They put him on the move. He ran the ball pretty well. They ran the ball pretty well. Reed Harris is a monster out wide. Had nine catches for a buck eighty-nine and two touchdowns. I thought the defensive line looked a little bit better than I expected. So I came away, my my overwhelming feeling in this game was I probably underestimated ASU and I'm kind of excited about where that could go next.
Dan Rubenstein — 50:31
Okay. The problem is you had to use the word if in a very emphatic way, right?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 50:33
Um.
Dan Rubenstein — 50:36
The like if I had wings I'd be a condor. Like if they didn't give twenty-one points to Texas A&M we'd be talking in more glowing terms. That's that's when we talk about being boring. ASU is not boring and not a good way.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 50:50
Between Missouri, Alabama, and Tennessee. Who are you the most excited about? Who are you the most scared about.
Dan Rubenstein — 51:01
I think Alabama in this moment excited.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 51:05
Okay.
Dan Rubenstein — 51:06
Because that was a frenzied atmosphere. As much as I'm not quite a believer in the short term, uh in in what Kentucky's got going on. I really appreciated that could have been an like a weird, ugly I don't know if it was loss, but like escape from Alabama in that kind of spot, especially as it was close in the first half.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 51:23
Yeah, I uh like, you know how high I've been in Alabama, right I'm scared to be excited about Alabama after this game, actually. Because like the defense is undeniably excellent.
Dan Rubenstein — 51:34
Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 51:38
It is excellent. Kentucky went one for 14 on third downs. They had 62 yards after halftime. So the defense was really, really good for Alabama.
Dan Rubenstein — 51:45
Mm-hmm.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 51:46
The offense, the offensive line, both still need some work. Keelon Russell definitely showed his youth in this game on the road. And then they won in resounding fashion 45 to 17. And I'm still pretty high in Alabama. It's not like we're going to drop them in our poll. But um had some doubt creeping in for me personally.
Dan Rubenstein — 52:08
Yeah, I'm I mean that's all fair, but what they were able to do on the ground, what they were able to do in sort of staying the course and absorbing the right the weird like dueling pick sixes to open up this game and then to pace a win with defense with some big plays with Keelon Russell settling in. I just I think their ceiling as a complete team is right now a little bit more interesting than Tennessee's just because of the lack of experience and youth at quarterback, although Freaking DeSean Bishop and we'll get there. He's an absolute dude for Tennessee. Um And then Mizzou. I really like where Mizzou's at offensively. I've just been hurt before with the Eli Drinkwitz program and I just I want to see them over a non-Kansas hump before it's like I'm just I'm I'm a little bit scared to get too excited is what I'm telling you on the SpanoMeter.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 53:06
I am thrilled on the Tennessee front. I am thrilled.
Dan Rubenstein — 53:09
Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 53:10
And I don't know like if you're a Tennessee fan, I don't know how you're not sitting down sort of looking at your hands and wondering. Than how high is the ceiling if Faizon Brandon keeps progressing? Because he already looks ahead of schedule.
Dan Rubenstein — 53:25
I agree.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 53:25
And this was a road game, his first road game as a starting quarterback. Georgia Tech did make it competitive. Tennessee eventually imposed their talent, their physicality they turned it into or they turned what could have potentially been a tricky road trip into a comfortable win.
Dan Rubenstein — 53:45
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 53:45
So if they get more of this from him and from the other contributors on that team, both offense and defense, I don't see how you're not excited about the state of this program. Let me give you a couple other ones here real quick. Let's do this rapid fire.
Dan Rubenstein — 53:57
And by the way, return of Arion Carter too with Tennessee, which was good to see. Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 54:02
For sure. Let's do a couple rapid fire, okay? Because we got to talk through our top 25 ballot. Uh Duke beat Illinois 31-27. SpanoMeter. Go.
Dan Rubenstein — 54:12
Excited. I mean, Walker Eget was able to throw better and more successfully and with nice touch. Obviously, we got another great game from Nate Sheppard. But to go on the road and look, whatever Illinois is or isn't, they do have a large screen in their stadium. They do have a comically large screen. Uh I came away impressed. I am excited for Duke football. Duke just for whatever reason to me when I watch them, there's they're they don't do anything spectacularly well, but they're just competent at seemingly everything Like they're just like you look up and this pitcher has like a 289 ERA at the end of the season, you're like that guy? And you're like, oh well, good for him, I guess. And they win the ACC or they're competing for the ACC. They're really well coached. They have to absorb a ton. And um I like Illinois. I like what Illinois was able to do. I just don't think the Illinois defense is is anywhere near where it needs to be.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 55:01
I mean, Illinois didn't tackle in this game.
Dan Rubenstein — 55:04
Right.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 55:04
They did not tackle in this game. They could not tackle consistently Nate Sheppard, who ran for.
Dan Rubenstein — 55:10
Arguably, arguably one of the most important parts of tackle football, the tackling.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 55:14
They just didn't tackle. And so I'm I'll play the other side of it.
Dan Rubenstein — 55:16
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 55:17
I'm scared for Illinois because they're gonna play tougher teams than Duke.
Dan Rubenstein — 55:19
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 55:21
And if they can't tackle, that's gonna be a problem. They're redoing their defense, all that, right?
Dan Rubenstein — 55:25
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 55:25
Uh Rutgers. I bring up Rutgers because they lost to BC 28-21. They lost a week ago.
Dan Rubenstein — 55:32
US.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 55:32
It is, yeah, it has not been a good start to the season for Greg Schiano.
Dan Rubenstein — 55:38
Uh I'm scared for what future Rutgers budgets are going to look like with regard to buyouts and Rutgers already in a precarious financial situation. It's bad.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 55:49
Uh Penn State, Penn State beat Temple, twenty-seven to nine in Philly.
Dan Rubenstein — 55:54
Didn't watch a second of this, so this is on you.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 55:57
We saw a good version of Rocco Becht, but we saw an uneven offense from Penn State. Definitely some defensive things to monitor on the Penn State side.
Dan Rubenstein — 56:09
Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 56:10
This was like fine, but not overly reassuring. So it's mixed for me. I'm not excited. I'm not scared. Actually if I'm being honest with people as a Penn State grad, the text message that I sent to my friends was that when they've got Wisconsin, I believe in two weeks, I'm a little bit scared of that matchup.
Dan Rubenstein — 56:25
Mm-hmm.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 56:32
I'm a little bit scared of that matchup because Penn State had some trouble containing Jaxon Smolik or just in general, let's say mobile quarterbacks in this game. And we know Wisconsin's got a pretty good one. So can they put someone like Colton Joseph on the run, put Penn State's defense in a bit of a bind? This is a different Penn State team this year. They're not going to have a shutdown defense. I just don't think they are. I think the offense will outpace the defense. So I'm a little bit scared in that regard. This was not the type of showing that left me feeling overly reassured. What about Washington, Dan? 16 to 14 over Utah State.
Dan Rubenstein — 57:09
Didn't watch a lot of this one, but looking at the line and seeing some of the plays, a little bit scared for Washington. Washington's contending with some injuries. I think they're down a running back or two. Um it didn't seem from what I could I just saw very little of this game, but Utah State was driving for the win in this one late, and Utah State lost the turnover battle three to nothing and was still driving for the game in this one late Um look, Washington won its clunkers. We respect winning clunkers. Uh Washington's offense has not found what they're looking for. And this was a Washington offense last season that came out scoring like 70 a game. So I'm a little bit scared in this moment if I'm a Washington fan, but there's I guess time? I don't know.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 57:53
This was just really bad.
Dan Rubenstein — 57:55
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 57:55
This was really bad. And the offense, I think, is the most alarming part. They scored one touchdown. They could not run the ball. They failed to finish drives. Demond Williams had good numbers, but um I don't know. the uh you gotta put points to the board. So I'm scared. I'm scared of of what this could mean. Because I've been pretty high in Washington.
Dan Rubenstein — 58:18
I didn't see I didn't see how many Braylins, Brysons, Brady's, Bradens put up big numbers for Utah State, but uh I suppose you didn't need to because you didn't have to score that many points to win this one, but I guess good for Washington. I don't know.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 58:32
All right, I've got two, well, two more games, four more teams.
Dan Rubenstein — 58:36
Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 58:37
Pick whichever side you want. Minnesota and Mississippi State. Mississippi State. Went to Minnesota, beat the breaks off of Minnesota. Where's my sound? Where's my sound? Good hell this game. 38 to 13. It was never close.
Dan Rubenstein — 58:55
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 58:56
And then on the other side of things. In a much different style of game, we had Iowa winning the Cyhawk game 16-13. It's always close. I should have listened to you. Iowa versus Iowa State. Of those four teams, which do you have the most, I guess, um thought out opinion on after what we saw in.
Dan Rubenstein — 59:10
Yeah. Oh, it's not even a question to me. It's Mississippi State. Like, the idea of being a fan of a team who is now basically 100% sure you have a young game-changing quarterback is a drug Ty. You know this. It has happened occasionally to you. It has definitely happened to me. It has happened to many of us who are fans of this sport. When you find yourself rooting for your team and become nearly positive you have a game-changing young quarterback like Mississippi State. Kinda seems like they do. I am I know four Mississippi State people. I know how scared about how excited they are. If that is anywhere near English for Kamario aka Kamario Taylor, based on which part of the Keystone State or New Jersey you live.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:00:00
Okay. Kamario, my guy's Kamario, yeah. That's right. That's right. Yeah, I mean I don't know how you can't be overly excited about.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:00:12
Yeah, that's easy.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:00:17
Your quarterback situation. I won't say his name. If you're a Mississippi State fan.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:00:20
No, say his name. Dude's just an absolute stud.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:00:23
And I don't know if you can really have any deep emotional connection to either excited or scared if you're an Iowa or an Iowa State fan. Actually if you're an Iowa State fan the fact that this game was close given all the turnover and basically rebooting now under Jimmy Rogers after Matt Campbell left, I would I would find reason in this loss to feel excited. 16, 13, knowing that Iowa's probably gonna be a pretty good team this year, a Top 25 caliber team.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:00:46
Sure. He's clearly a good coach, yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:00:52
Very good coach. Very good coach. Um the Minnesota side of this, I can't even like I'm gonna need I'm gonna need a darkness retreat or something to uh collect my thoughts on Minnesota because they just got physically, I mean, Taylor aside.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:01:10
He was protected.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:01:11
Kamario Taylor aside, Minnesota got physically overwhelmed in this game.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:01:17
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:01:17
They were physically overwhelmed. Nothing worked offensively. They had 1. 6 yards per carry in the first half. They finished with no offensive touchdowns. They also had 12 penalties for 115 yards. This was even a more comprehensive loss, I think, than the final score would indicate. That's a problem. And this is why we scheduled the Minnesota support Zoom at some point.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:01:37
Yeah. Now you could say you could say that Minnesota's defense last year, and obviously year to year things changed pretty considerably, but you could say that this was not a good Minnesota defense last year. So slicing and dicing Minnesota's defense, maybe we should put that in perspective. Nope, Mississippi State needs everything in terms of happiness and puppies and fireworks that they can get. And so do not be afraid to love. Do not be afraid to put your heart out there. It seems like Kamario Taylor is the guy in a way that Mississippi State doesn't always have at quarterback. So I don't know. Love with your whole heart and it's okay to to open yourself up to pain at some point.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:02:17
All right, Dan Rubenstein, let's bring this bad boy home. Um, we've got one thing left to do.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:02:21
Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:02:22
We have to cast our ballot by 10 a m on Sunday morning Eastern time.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:02:26
Mm hmm.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:02:29
For the AP Top 25. We've got one ballot for the show. I will cast it after the show. We couldn't really do this exercise a week ago. Mainly because there were still four games to be played. And at the time we were recording the LSU game was going on. There were some other games going on. So there was just no way we could talk it through. There are some games go.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:02:47
What do we have what do we have ongoing right now?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:02:49
I was gonna say there are some games going on right now, so it's not a fully complete slate.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:02:49
Sorry to interrupt.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:02:54
If you care about the Clemson game, Clemson is up and going to win by 15 points over Georgia Southern.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:03:01
The USC's still going, right?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:03:02
USC is still going, yeah. We got a couple games that are still going here. Utah is still playing. They're up big on Arkansas.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:03:09
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:03:10
So it's not going to be a complete list, but I think we can react to enough here to at least put a ballot out into the public and get people's reaction to it.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:03:18
I'm I'm with you. Yep, same page. Where are we starting?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:03:21
I think it's gotta be Texas one Ohio State too.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:03:24
You think Ohio State does not fall beyond two?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:03:29
It was a one-point game. They were up the whole game. It was a close loss. They clearly were good enough to win that game. I think it's Texas won, Ohio State two.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:03:40
Well, okay, is there any team top 20 that beat somebody where you're like the way that they beat somebody? I don't think that there is an answer. Like Texas A&M had an impressive win and they're number 13. Um LSU was oh LSU was Louisiana tech. Miami did not play uh a team of substance. Um yeah, I guess there's no team right now that has that win. Um that would really vault them if we're if we're trying to be limber pollsters.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:04:10
Right. I mean you could probably make a case on the Tennessee front. I thought Tennessee looked pretty good.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:04:15
I think they should move up, yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:04:17
So I would go Texas one, Ohio State, two, then Notre Dame, Georgia, Indiana. Um we would slide Miami up, we'd probably slide LSU up, but this does beg the question. How far do we drop Oregon? How far do we drop Oklahoma after their losses? Oregon, I think, was obviously the more shocking of the losses. Oklahoma, unfortunately, was more the same from what we saw a year ago, but even that was a close game and it's one that they could have won.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:04:37
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:04:44
It was just a rock fight, right? The style of play kind of dictated the terms there.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:04:49
But they both lost to teams who either lost or kind of technically won, but had a really poor performance last week.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:04:58
Correct, correct, correct.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:05:00
I would move Oregon lower. Because at least you can point to Oklahoma's defense as being like of high quality. I don't think you can do that for either side of the ball for Oregon.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:05:10
Alright, so you're looking at the poll here, right? You're looking at.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:05:13
I would move Oregon some somewhere closer to twenty.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:05:17
Twenty.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:05:18
Yeah. If not out.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:05:20
Wow.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:05:20
Would you move them out?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:05:22
I wouldn't move I wouldn't move him fully out, no.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:05:22
Or you're keeping them like top fifteen?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:05:25
I think I think going fully out would be a little much. But the manner in which they've lost the manner in which they lost, I think, is is telling here.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:05:29
I mean we moved we moved Michigan out and then they immediately beat number nine.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:05:37
Oklahoma, they were at nine in our poll before. I think they were at eleven in the AP poll when the final ballot came out. Um I'm inclined to slide them down 16, 17?
Dan Rubenstein — 01:05:52
Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:05:53
Does that make sense to you?
Dan Rubenstein — 01:05:54
I'm okay with that.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:05:55
I'm also inclined to put BYU ahead of Texas Tech.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:05:59
Good by me.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:06:00
BYU for my money looked really impressive today. I'm inclined to move them up a notch.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:06:06
Now Texas Tech did win a clunker. We don't fully know what Oregon State is. They went to Corvallis. This was on the road. Whereas BYU did it at home, but I believe Arizona to be a better opponent than Oregon State in this moment. Um I'm okay with moving BYU ahead of Texas Tech. That was a Texas Tech needed four full quarters.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:06:26
That's right. And BYU, I just I was really impressed with the manner in which they won that game.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:06:33
Great.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:06:33
I feel like they really showed us something.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:06:33
Put them ahead.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:06:36
So uh I'm renumbering this here so that we can read this off to the Verballer hood. The other question that I have is Michigan. Michigan beat number 11, the Oklahoma Sooners. We dropped them out of our poll a week ago, but I feel like we should probably move them back in. The question is how high?
Dan Rubenstein — 01:06:59
But like who are you scooting out from the current poll?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:07:01
Well we had Pitt we had Pitt in our poll. I think we can move Pitt out.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:07:05
Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:07:06
Um we also had like Iowa in our poll. I think maybe we could have a conversation about Iowa.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:07:13
I think we can move him out. Sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:07:15
Um.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:07:15
By the way, the sidebar here is Michigan plays Iowa in two weeks. Will that total add up to thirty?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:07:23
Right. Maybe not, I don't know. The other question then that I have, and I think this is starting to take shape, is uh Washington, because Washington struggled mightily.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:07:30
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:07:35
We had them at 18. I feel like maybe we can bump them down. Like I would probably trust Utah.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:07:42
Oh, I would move Washington below Utah. Utah's about to beat Arkansas by thirty. Um, I would move Washington Yeah, somewhere around 21-22. Just because look, the Mizzou win against Kansas was very good, and obviously that's a matchup fraught with emotion and they came through and looked very good. It was a slower start, but I like rewarding, you know, rivalry wins, especially when you score, what, 38?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:08:10
Yeah.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:08:11
So I'm I'm good with Mizzou ahead of Washington.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:08:14
All right, I think we've got our Top 25 ballot here. Let me know if there's anyone we should put in, and there are a handful of teams that I think could probably have a stake.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:08:22
So where are you s where were you? Where are we scooting Oregon?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:08:25
We've got Oregon right now at nineteen.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:08:28
Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:08:30
So here's the way this shakes up. Or I'm sorry, at twenty. The way this looks right now is our top ten is Texas 1, Ohio State 2, Notre Dame 3, Georgia 4, Indiana 5.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:08:33
Yeah Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:08:43
Six through ten is Miami, LSU, USC, Alabama, Ole Miss. Eleven through fifteen is Texas A&M, BYU, Texas Tech, SMU, and Tennessee. And then to round out the final ten, we've got Oklahoma, Penn State, Utah, Washington, Oregon Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Mizzou, Louisville.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:09:18
Yeah, I mean on our radar, I know you have this written down. Virginia's on our radar. Boise had a very nice win against Memphis, which is, you know, push comes to shove. Two of the teams that could be in a very like late November conversation. Uh South Carolina, we'll see the schedule isn't there yet. Um UCLA very comfortably beat, like, a pretty decent now-Pac-12 school in San Diego State. And had the nice win against Cal, who was pretty ugly against Syracuse today, but you know, winning is better than losing. And then the Mississippi State question, Virginia Tech hasn't played anybody, but another comfortable win for the Hokies. So on our radar for sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:09:58
If you've got anything to say, solidverbal@gmail.com, of course you can always write in and find us on social media as well. Um I think this is about it. We'll submit, we'll see where it goes from here. Obviously, we are subscribing to the idea of limber polling Dan Rubenstein.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:10:13
Chad with at least two D's, possibly three D's in the chat says, fix your poll. Oklahoma can't be ahead of Michigan. That's absurd. I think he he or she, I don't know if whatever. Chad might be onto something.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:10:26
We have Michigan ahead of we shouldn't do that.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:10:28
Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:10:29
Okay.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:10:29
I think we have to we have to use a little bit of logic with this.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:10:30
Alright. Okay. Well it's late, so I didn't even think of that, but okay.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:10:35
Yeah, same.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:10:36
So we've got we've got.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:10:37
I mean we have Oregon ahead of Oklahoma State, right? But Oklahoma State has a loss as well.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:10:40
Oklahoma State lost to Tulsa. All right, so let's back up real quick.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:10:44
Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:10:45
We have Oklahoma right now at sixteen we have Michigan at twenty-three. Does this mean we should bump Michigan up to fifteen or does this mean that we should bump Oklahoma down or try to split the difference?
Dan Rubenstein — 01:10:56
I'll split the difference, like an eighteen nineteen situation.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:10:58
All right. So here's what we'll do. We'll put Michigan at nineteen. We'll put Oklahoma at twenty. I think I've got it here. Thank you, Chad, with at least two Ds.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:11:08
So yes.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:11:09
We will make sure that is so. That's a good that's a good call out. It's late. Thank you. This is why we do this live so that people uh should we do some Dude Alerts here before we let the fine people go?
Dan Rubenstein — 01:11:15
This is why we do it. Let's do it.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:11:23
Let's call out some banner individual performances, Dan Rubenstein.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:11:28
I mentioned DeSean Bishop for Tennessee, who was terrific. Drew Mestemaker for Oklahoma State, Reed Harris at ASU, Jesse Legree. Oregon State, I mentioned Dylan Riley at Boise State had a hell of a day. Austin Simmons and his I mean Cayden Lee was also good, but it was uh Donovan. Oh man. I just I said this to you earlier. Uh, Olugbode? Olugbode? I'm screwing this up.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:11:54
Beautiful.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:11:54
Sorry, I apologize. I will get it. Ty. Um, here, I'm gonna search in our in our Slack chat. Uh, Olugbode. How about that? Olugbode.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:12:04
Yeah, I had it written down to him, I've overwritten it.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:12:05
Um Hunter Tipton, you wrote down, Memphis?
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:12:08
Yeah man, Hunter Tipton tight end, tight end, nine catches, two hundred and twenty-nine yards and a touchdown in a losing effort.
Dan Rubenstein — 01:12:09
Had a hell of a day? Uh by the way, I don't know what his final line will be, and I know USC is only playing Louisiana right now. But Mark Bowman did something I have never seen. He's a true freshman for USC. At the time of recording, he has Six catches for 83 yards and two touchdowns uh midway through the third quarter. He hurdled two dudes in the same jump. They were closing in on him at the same time, and he jumped over both. He was reported to get like a ton of money, uh like a an unheard of amount of money for a freshman tight end coming into USC as a five star. I watched the hurdle and the touchdowns, and I said to myself Yeah, okay, that makes sense. That tracks. Cool. Good for him. Hope he invests wisely. So yeah, Mark Bowman, absolute dude moves for SC.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:13:08
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Dan Rubenstein — 01:13:16
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Dan Rubenstein — 01:13:46
Yes, that's I mean literally everything no it's not literally everything there's a lot more to Saturday. We're gonna talk a little bit more about it on the Monday show we're recording. But I will say 7-3 Blue Jays final to round this show into complete form and we'll be discussing the what I assume was a disappointing year for the Blue Jays. I haven't tracked it.
Ty Hildenbrandt — 01:14:06
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Dan Rubenstein — 01:14:44
Please.