College Football Week 4 Preview - Power Clean
Ty Hildenbrandt 00:18 Dan Rubenstein, I'm a few days late, but allow me to be the first co-host in your life to wish you
Ty Hildenbrandt 00:24 a happy autumn, a happy fall.
Dan Rubenstein 00:26 Oh
Ty Hildenbrandt 00:27 It's officially here.
Ty Hildenbrandt 00:29 Week four, the start of the new season.
Ty Hildenbrandt 00:32 Very excited to be back with you, sir.
Ty Hildenbrandt 00:34 How are you today?
Dan Rubenstein 00:34 Oh, so it could have it could be a spiced pumpkin Saturday, but I'm not going in that direction this week.
Dan Rubenstein 00:41 But yeah, no, there's I wouldn't say there's a chill in the air here, but it's chiller and hopefully
Dan Rubenstein 00:46 across some parts of this country it's chiller and it's merely like warm, merely hot, not back-breakingly uh scorching, but
Dan Rubenstein 00:56 Yeah, it it feels good.
Dan Rubenstein 00:57 It it feels very real to uh to be in this time of the year for college football.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02 I am very excited to be back with you.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03 Week four is a loaded slate.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05 We've been previewing week four in some capacity, it feels like
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:09 since the start of our preview season back in July, it was one of those tentpole weeks that we spotted, that we wanted to bring people's attention to.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:18 At some point or another in the offseason, I think we even made a calendar
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22 that people could download and import into whatever so that they had it at the ready and had their affairs in order in preparation for week four.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:30 We've got a bunch of games here
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:32 we're going to try to spread the love as best we can.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:35 There are a bunch of huge matchups in the SEC.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:38 We're not going to make our longer previews all about the SEC today.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:41 We wanted to make sure that we
Dan Rubenstein 01:42 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:43 kind of spread it around college football because there are truly a number of conferences, a number of games that are starting to get into the real thick of it.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:50 And we wanted to celebrate that here being The Solid Verbal.
Dan Rubenstein 01:53 Absolutely we wanted to celebrate.
Dan Rubenstein 01:55 I'm glad you said, you know, different conferences, maybe different teams across this great land.
Dan Rubenstein 02:00 getting into the thick of it.
Dan Rubenstein 02:02 And, you know, it starts with some of the headliners, especially with having teams on the road with a ton to prove.
Dan Rubenstein 02:09 In some cases
Dan Rubenstein 02:10 just what they're gonna look like on the road because this is the first time a number of major teams or interesting teams looking to be more major are doing something on the road.
Dan Rubenstein 02:20 I look at
Dan Rubenstein 02:21 Illinois, Utah, Texas, Iowa, AM, South Carolina, Northwestern, Nebraska, Kansas State, Vanderbilt.
Dan Rubenstein 02:28 All looking
Dan Rubenstein 02:29 to prove that they can continue some winning ways or show the best of themselves when they haven't always shown the best of themselves early on in this season on the road.
Dan Rubenstein 02:38 That look
Dan Rubenstein 02:39 you're heading into choppy waters.
Dan Rubenstein 02:40 You're setting sail.
Dan Rubenstein 02:41 You are, and look, I could, here it is, right?
Dan Rubenstein 02:45 It's stormy out there, Ty.
Dan Rubenstein 02:47 We're talking about the heat.
Dan Rubenstein 02:48 It's stormy.
Dan Rubenstein 02:49 There's sea monsters.
Dan Rubenstein 02:51 People are freaking out.
Dan Rubenstein 02:52 There's disease out there.
Dan Rubenstein 02:54 Storm, squalls, skirmishes.
Dan Rubenstein 02:58 Ty, the thing you have to make sure you are, when you're in those hostile environments, you know what I'm talking about.
Dan Rubenstein 03:05 You want to make sure you're squeaky clean, Ty.
Dan Rubenstein 03:09 Right?
Dan Rubenstein 03:10 You're talking penalties.
Dan Rubenstein 03:11 You're talking about game planning.
Dan Rubenstein 03:13 You're talking about play calling.
Dan Rubenstein 03:15 You're talking about the noise in the stadium.
Dan Rubenstein 03:16 You're talking about sleep, Ty.
Dan Rubenstein 03:19 Welcome.
Dan Rubenstein 03:21 to swab the deck Saturday.
Dan Rubenstein 03:26 Welcome.
Dan Rubenstein 03:27 Look, it doesn't matter.
Dan Rubenstein 03:29 You know, if if your sails are working great, it doesn't matter if you're eating your vitamin C out on the open seas to prevent that scurvy Ty.
Dan Rubenstein 03:37 It doesn't matter if you're you're able to avoid those well the megalodons.
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Dan Rubenstein 03:47 Welcome to Swab the Deck Saturday.
Dan Rubenstein 03:51 Colin!
Dan Rubenstein 03:52 What did I say, Colin?
Dan Rubenstein 03:53 Choppy waters ahead.
Ty Hildenbrandt 03:54 Choppy waters are ahead.
Dan Rubenstein 03:55 How about that?
Ty Hildenbrandt 03:56 There are a lot of very interesting road spots this week.
Ty Hildenbrandt 04:00 We will get into as many of them as we can.
Ty Hildenbrandt 04:02 We can, we've got like 20 games on this slate here on our document.
Dan Rubenstein 04:06 Yeah.
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Dan Rubenstein 05:31 uh this it's a big one.
Dan Rubenstein 05:32 Uh where should we start?
Ty Hildenbrandt 05:34 I think we should start with the damn sound, baby
Ty Hildenbrandt 05:42 Start at high noon on ABC Eastern Time.
Ty Hildenbrandt 05:46 Number one team in the land, the Texas Longhorns, a four.
Ty Hildenbrandt 05:51 Four and one half point favorite on the road, squaring off against number 14, Tennessee.
Ty Hildenbrandt 05:57 It is Texas's first true road game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 06:00 Does that four and a half point spread, does it make your voice go up in octave?
Ty Hildenbrandt 06:06 Does it make the eyebrows go up a little bit when you see that number?
Ty Hildenbrandt 06:09 Does it feel below to you?
Ty Hildenbrandt 06:12 Like maybe uh somebody knows something.
Dan Rubenstein 06:15 Like it should be like a six and a half, seven and a half point Texas being favorite situation
Ty Hildenbrandt 06:21 I'm asking how you feel as co host of the show.
Dan Rubenstein 06:24 No, I I think that that is about right.
Dan Rubenstein 06:26 There are things to like about what Texas has shown.
Dan Rubenstein 06:29 Obviously, this season they have the most impressive, arguably most impressive win.
Dan Rubenstein 06:33 Of the air though what Ole Miss was able to do last week against LSU might go down as being just as impressive by the time this season ends.
Dan Rubenstein 06:40 Um
Dan Rubenstein 06:41 there's a lot to like about Texas.
Dan Rubenstein 06:42 There are still questions about Texas, especially a Texas offense in recent times on the road with Arch Manning.
Dan Rubenstein 06:49 I'm not putting it all at his feet.
Dan Rubenstein 06:51 There have been drops, there have been offensive line issues, but look, this year's team is not last year's team.
Dan Rubenstein 06:57 But the data we have of Arch Manning and this Texas offense on the road.
Dan Rubenstein 07:01 Now new personnel, of course.
Dan Rubenstein 07:03 There's there's all sorts of caveats here
Dan Rubenstein 07:05 it wasn't great last year.
Dan Rubenstein 07:07 Right?
Dan Rubenstein 07:08 You look at the Ohio State, Mississippi State, Florida, Kentucky, like it was not a who's who of perfect performances
Ty Hildenbrandt 07:14 No, no.
Dan Rubenstein 07:15 And so now they go to Knoxville.
Dan Rubenstein 07:17 Difficult place to play.
Dan Rubenstein 07:18 We agree.
Dan Rubenstein 07:18 Talent on this defense that they're going to see.
Dan Rubenstein 07:20 We agree.
Dan Rubenstein 07:21 Against a similar team.
Dan Rubenstein 07:22 They really struggled, especially in that first half offensively against Ohio State at home.
Dan Rubenstein 07:27 So there's a lot to question about where Texas is, especially since the pass game isn't nails right now.
Dan Rubenstein 07:35 Right?
Dan Rubenstein 07:35 They're running it pretty well.
Ty Hildenbrandt 07:35 No.
Ty Hildenbrandt 07:37 Yeah.
Dan Rubenstein 07:37 The offensive line has come together seemingly pretty nicely
Dan Rubenstein 07:41 defensively they seem to be in a good spot, but they're not in full rhythm on offense.
Dan Rubenstein 07:48 And you would hope that it would be if they're going to a place like Tennessee and are going to thrive.
Dan Rubenstein 07:54 And then on the Tennessee side, I think there's a lot to like here, but there's a lot like very much in doubt.
Dan Rubenstein 08:03 Like this we're it's a true freshman quarterback.
Dan Rubenstein 08:05 Who is down at least a healthy running back room?
Dan Rubenstein 08:08 We don't know exactly what that running back room is going to look like.
Dan Rubenstein 08:10 Deshaun Bishop was pretty shaky health-wise last week against uh Kennesaw State.
Dan Rubenstein 08:15 Down there starting tight ends.
Dan Rubenstein 08:17 So you're talking about like the best friends of a new quarterback, right?
Dan Rubenstein 08:19 A running game, maybe a safety valve of a tight end, especially in the red zone.
Dan Rubenstein 08:24 That there are questions about both of these teams.
Dan Rubenstein 08:26 The certainty in this game is that Neyland is going to be a madhouse.
Dan Rubenstein 08:32 Right?
Dan Rubenstein 08:33 And it's early, I want to say, weirdly enough.
Dan Rubenstein 08:36 Um these things are decided in advance, but it's an early game, so you hope that everybody's in their seats and it's it's frenzied for that new Eastern kickoff
Dan Rubenstein 08:45 but I kind of get this line.
Dan Rubenstein 08:46 It's a long-winded way of saying I kind of get this line because it is a Texas offense going to uh a pretty angry place.
Ty Hildenbrandt 08:53 Mm-hmm.
Dan Rubenstein 08:56 And I don't think there's anything certain about Texas on the road at this point.
Ty Hildenbrandt 09:00 I believe there will be a defensive chess match that keeps this game interesting
Ty Hildenbrandt 09:05 I think there is a very obvious winning move on the Texas side, and if I want to stick with the theme, let's call it a gambit of sorts for Tennessee.
Dan Rubenstein 09:13 Thank you.
Ty Hildenbrandt 09:14 If you are Texas, if you are Will Muschamp, take away whatever version of the Tennessee ground game they throw at you.
Ty Hildenbrandt 09:23 Be aware that Faizon Brandon can also run.
Ty Hildenbrandt 09:27 But, to your point, a little bit nicked up back there.
Ty Hildenbrandt 09:31 If we really zoom in, there's a matchup along the interior lines that is probably going to be very telling in this matchup.
Ty Hildenbrandt 09:37 But if I'm Will Muschamp, I want to try and take away as much of that running game as humanly possible and force Faizon Brandon to throw it in order to win.
Ty Hildenbrandt 09:47 He's been very, very clean so far.
Ty Hildenbrandt 09:49 Six touchdowns, no interceptions.
Ty Hildenbrandt 09:51 You could argue better than Arch at throwing the deep ball.
Dan Rubenstein 09:54 But I think it's a lot of predetermined.
Dan Rubenstein 09:56 Like here's the read, if it's not there, go.
Ty Hildenbrandt 09:59 Which is one of the knocks on the hypo offense and always has been.
Dan Rubenstein 10:00 Yeah
Ty Hildenbrandt 10:03 But I think if you're Will Muschamp, that's your formula.
Ty Hildenbrandt 10:07 Once you can take away the run, if you can take a one, take away the run, throw a bunch of new looks at him, see if you can force some mistakes, see if you can be the first this year.
Ty Hildenbrandt 10:15 On the Tennessee side, I call it a gambit.
Ty Hildenbrandt 10:19 Because I think a couple things need to happen in order for you to win.
Ty Hildenbrandt 10:22 First, let's see if Texas can handle pressure.
Ty Hildenbrandt 10:26 To your point, the offense has been uneven.
Ty Hildenbrandt 10:29 Just nine explosive plays over 20 yards all season long.
Ty Hildenbrandt 10:32 They've been running well.
Ty Hildenbrandt 10:33 That's kind of the strength of this offense.
Ty Hildenbrandt 10:35 But yeah, the passing game, the protection, those types of things have been out of sorts, especially last week against UTSA.
Ty Hildenbrandt 10:42 If you go back and watch that game, when UTSA was bringing pressure, they were they were able to affect things to the extent where Arch almost didn't trust his protection, his mechanics got a little wonky.
Ty Hildenbrandt 10:52 Also, they weren't great for three quarters against Ohio State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 10:55 They didn't wake up until the fourth quarter, at which point they went on a run, obviously won, as you said, maybe the most impressive game of the year.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:02 But it's not a finished product on the Texas offensive side either.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:06 I can imagine Jim Knowles, aka Sir Blitz a lot, looking at game tape of someone getting pressure on Arch Manning and saying, uh, we can probably do that.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:17 We got more talent than UTSA.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:18 We can figure something out here.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:21 And so I think that is what they're probably going to try and do as well.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:24 The risk being, if that doesn't work, Texas receivers probably have an edge out wide.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:29 over these Tennessee corners.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:31 So it has to work.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:32 It has to get home.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:33 Otherwise you expose yourself in the back.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:35 That's the gambit.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:36 I think Texas is the better team.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:39 I also think the warning signs are there for this to be a close game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:42 So while I do expect Texas to win, I think it's close.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:45 I think it's within the number.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:47 I got it at something like 27-24 Texas.
Dan Rubenstein 11:49 Does does what they look like on the road last year play into your decision making at all?
Dan Rubenstein 11:54 I just kinda like to know, like, what what where the recent history of comfort on the road is.
Ty Hildenbrandt 11:59 I'm not factoring that in as much as I am the Texas offense looking relatively uneven thus far.
Ty Hildenbrandt 12:08 For sure, I don't have full confidence in what this offense can do.
Ty Hildenbrandt 12:11 I know the pieces, I know that there's talent abound.
Ty Hildenbrandt 12:16 But the fact that they've been uneven and now this is going to be a true road spot and a hostile spot.
Ty Hildenbrandt 12:22 I guess maybe a combination of both of our thoughts there.
Ty Hildenbrandt 12:26 Go into it on my end
Dan Rubenstein 12:27 So there's an interesting matchup here.
Dan Rubenstein 12:29 A lot of people who watch Texas closer than we do noted that one of the things that I think Cole actually mentioned this on the show, Cole Cubelic.
Dan Rubenstein 12:38 the open field uh ability of Texas ball carriers and receivers to shed tackles, to break tackles, to get yards after contact.
Dan Rubenstein 12:48 Tennessee has been struggling with securing those tackles somewhat this year.
Ty Hildenbrandt 12:51 Yikes.
Dan Rubenstein 12:53 Whereas you look at the upgrade, I think an upgrade at running back for Texas with Raleek Brown and Hollywood Smothers and adding in, was it Derrek Cooper the freshman, the bigger back
Dan Rubenstein 13:02 that they've been good at improving in that area, whereas Tennessee I think has a lot to prove in their open field tackling.
Dan Rubenstein 13:10 I like that matchup for Texas.
Dan Rubenstein 13:13 I think even though the offense isn't where hopefully it will be by the end of the season for Texas,
Dan Rubenstein 13:20 they're healthy enough right now, and I still have that question about Faizon Brandon against a team and defense is talented.
Dan Rubenstein 13:27 Like look
Dan Rubenstein 13:28 the pocket is going to be messy.
Dan Rubenstein 13:30 I like Tennessee's offensive line fine, but now they're dealing with maybe the best hedge rusher in the country and Colin Simmons, right?
Dan Rubenstein 13:36 That
Dan Rubenstein 13:37 it's going to be his ability to navigate if they are going to compete in this game for four quarters to me.
Dan Rubenstein 13:44 Because the defense did give up points, div did get up, div did give up yardage to Georgia Tech.
Dan Rubenstein 13:49 I have Texas here with a terrific opportunity to take a step on the road.
Dan Rubenstein 13:55 I love that it's not at night for Texas, right?
Dan Rubenstein 13:58 that the crowd will be frenzied.
Dan Rubenstein 14:00 It won't be as frenzied as it could have been if they were, you know, drinking all day and getting ready and you know building the anticipation all day.
Dan Rubenstein 14:06 So I like Texas to cover actually in this one.
Dan Rubenstein 14:10 I think they're the more mature team.
Dan Rubenstein 14:13 I think they will be more prepared for this game than they were last year for some of those bigger road spots.
Dan Rubenstein 14:20 I think the addition and the the new nature of the Will Muschamp defense is going to be a value add in pressuring Faizon Brandon.
Dan Rubenstein 14:28 2717 Texas.
Ty Hildenbrandt 14:30 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 14:30 So we sort of agree, at least on the point total.
Ty Hildenbrandt 14:34 I would call out, you mentioned Derrek Cooper, who was nicked up a bit, but came back last week and immediately made an impact against UTSA, sort of a bigger back that they can use between the tackles.
Dan Rubenstein 14:44 Yeah.
Dan Rubenstein 14:44 It it has the feel for Tennessee when you start a true freshman quarterback.
Dan Rubenstein 14:48 To me, it's we believe in this guy.
Dan Rubenstein 14:50 We think he's the best guy we have.
Dan Rubenstein 14:52 But also
Dan Rubenstein 14:54 our ceiling is something that we understand to be a l a little bit limiting.
Ty Hildenbrandt 14:59 Yeah, and look to your rubric, quarterback and defense, that edge goes to Texas.
Dan Rubenstein 15:04 I think so.
Ty Hildenbrandt 15:05 We agree.
Ty Hildenbrandt 15:06 Okay, let's uh let's move on.
Ty Hildenbrandt 15:07 730.
Ty Hildenbrandt 15:08 Let's talk about this game on NBC.
Dan Rubenstein 15:10 No, man.
Ty Hildenbrandt 15:11 The number 20 Oregon Ducks, a three-point road favorite on the road at number 12 USC, Dan.
Ty Hildenbrandt 15:18 Have you been paying attention to either of these teams this year?
Ty Hildenbrandt 15:21 Have they been in your periphery?
Dan Rubenstein 15:22 I have.
Ty Hildenbrandt 15:23 Like, where are you at?
Dan Rubenstein 15:23 You know, funny you mention it.
Dan Rubenstein 15:25 I have been.
Dan Rubenstein 15:26 Um been catching up on the Oregon side of things.
Dan Rubenstein 15:28 It turns out they've been a little bit off this year, by and large.
Ty Hildenbrandt 15:31 Little bit a little bit off.
Ty Hildenbrandt 15:33 I think both teams have a lot to prove here.
Ty Hildenbrandt 15:35 Like USC needs to prove that its defense can play against a good team and show results, be productive.
Ty Hildenbrandt 15:42 And Oregon needs to prove it's as good of a team as everybody thought, like a month ago.
Ty Hildenbrandt 15:47 This is a real opportunity for Oregon to maybe get back on the straight narrow and start making a run at this thing in the Big Ten as they open up their Big Ten season.
Dan Rubenstein 15:55 Okay, so this game it seems like in week four swab the deck Saturday.
Dan Rubenstein 16:01 What it yeah
Dan Rubenstein 16:04 it seems like this is the game between teams who who more of their season, more of the narrative of their season is on the line in this game.
Dan Rubenstein 16:13 that if Oregon goes to two and two and you know having lost against Oklahoma State and now against USC and there's a lot of emotion in this game, right?
Dan Rubenstein 16:22 These are two measuring stick programs to each other on the West Coast.
Dan Rubenstein 16:26 Um
Dan Rubenstein 16:28 that more so than I think a lot of these games is just more on the line from an emotional and competitive standpoint.
Dan Rubenstein 16:34 Um
Dan Rubenstein 16:36 Oregon comes in with a decent amount of health, though they're down a starting wide receiver now in Jeremiah McClellan.
Dan Rubenstein 16:45 They seem to get right, uh albeit against Portland State last week.
Dan Rubenstein 16:48 You know, there were the stories after the Oklahoma State game about Oregon sort of tipping their pitches via either Dante Moore's feet or the offensive line or just having
Dan Rubenstein 16:56 uh an offense that became a little bit too predictable and needed uh a little bit more disguise uh put in in the offseason and we heard about that from Indiana last year.
Dan Rubenstein 17:06 Aidan Fisher mentioned it
Dan Rubenstein 17:08 and defensively just not the the sort of anger and urgency where they've been these past couple seasons.
Dan Rubenstein 17:14 On the USC side
Dan Rubenstein 17:17 we were told that Gary Patterson would get this defense to a a new and different higher level.
Ty Hildenbrandt 17:23 Didn't last week.
Ty Hildenbrandt 17:24 Didn't last week on the road.
Dan Rubenstein 17:24 Didn't seem like it was there.
Dan Rubenstein 17:26 And they're, you know, obviously
Dan Rubenstein 17:28 uh one of their presumed starters or stars up front has been out all year in Jakeem Stewart's their corners are nicked up and you know weren't performing and they weren't tackling in the open field.
Dan Rubenstein 17:39 They were especially bad on
Dan Rubenstein 17:40 shorter yardage situations again rut against Rutgers.
Dan Rubenstein 17:44 It kinda seems like Jayden Maiava might be beat up a little bit.
Dan Rubenstein 17:48 He's doing a lot of like shoulder mobility stuff.
Dan Rubenstein 17:50 A little Ty Hildenbrandt action on the sidelines there
Ty Hildenbrandt 17:52 It's true.
Dan Rubenstein 17:53 their their best playmaker on offense and Trent Mosley is out in this one.
Dan Rubenstein 17:57 That there are questions about both of these teams, and Oregon has been that thorn in USC's side.
Dan Rubenstein 18:03 They haven't won this game.
Dan Rubenstein 18:04 I don't know like a decade or something like that.
Dan Rubenstein 18:06 Lincoln Riley's never beaten Dan Lanning in Oregon.
Dan Rubenstein 18:09 The game's in LA for the first time in the the Dan Lanning tenure.
Dan Rubenstein 18:13 There's just a lot here to unpack.
Dan Rubenstein 18:17 I think Oregon will look better than they did against Oklahoma State.
Dan Rubenstein 18:23 I think there's an open question about what their offensive line will look like against a couple of really talented dudes on this USC front.
Dan Rubenstein 18:28 Luke Wafle, the true freshman, has been a
Dan Rubenstein 18:30 a terror off the edge.
Dan Rubenstein 18:32 He just he uh it looks like they're they're playing like a young Nick Bosa or something.
Dan Rubenstein 18:35 So he looks like he can be terrific and affect things in this game.
Dan Rubenstein 18:40 But behind those couple guys on the the defensive line
Dan Rubenstein 18:45 I question how many game changers, how many like high-level playoff caliber defensive players there are on this defense
Dan Rubenstein 18:52 now, it might not matter because Dante Moore might panic still in the pocket and throw balls away and miss open receivers, and it won't matter.
Dan Rubenstein 19:00 But that to me seems like the the USC defense has the clear lowest ceiling in this game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 19:06 Let me ask though about the Oregon defense because a big
Dan Rubenstein 19:09 And they showed very little against Oklahoma State and it it it showed.
Ty Hildenbrandt 19:13 Yeah, I mean, a big part of the Oregon case before the start of the season was the strength of that defensive front.
Ty Hildenbrandt 19:21 What we have seen thus far this season is Oregon getting pressure but not getting sacks, not getting many tackles for loss.
Dan Rubenstein 19:29 But they hit Maddox Madsen a ton in that game on obvious passing downs.
Dan Rubenstein 19:33 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 19:34 Sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt 19:35 It hurt them against Oklahoma State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 19:38 Unlike Oklahoma State, USC's past protection has been a relative strength so far this year.
Dan Rubenstein 19:44 Against Fresno, San Jose State, Louisiana, and Rutgers.
Dan Rubenstein 19:48 Okay, making sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt 19:49 I think this is the main area of focus for me.
Ty Hildenbrandt 19:54 I want to see if Oregon is getting pressure on Maiava.
Ty Hildenbrandt 19:57 I want to see if they are changing his rhythm.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:00 I agree with you.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:02 He seems off.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:03 Some of the injuries that we have seen across this USC roster, especially like Trent Mosley, though they have others, it's something worth monitoring.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:12 I want to see if Oregon's able to disrupt that USC offense because if they are, if they are forcing third and longs, if they are putting USC in a bit of a bind where the offense becomes telegraphed, then suddenly that changes how I feel.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:26 about USC's ability to win a game like this.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:28 The point spreads only three.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:30 Even despite all the things that you mentioned, the point spread's only three.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:34 So Vegas expects a relatively close game here.
Dan Rubenstein 20:36 Oregon being favored, to be clear.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:38 Oregon being favored.
Dan Rubenstein 20:39 Yeah.
Dan Rubenstein 20:40 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:40 I have a trust issue with this game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:43 And I think that is what I grappled with the most.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:47 I trust that the Oregon defense has more names on it.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:50 And I trust that they can generate some level of pressure on Jayden Maiava.
Ty Hildenbrandt 20:55 I'm still not wholly convinced that they're going to be able to get home and that they're going to be able to play with the same level of fervor that I expected at the start of the year.
Ty Hildenbrandt 21:04 And likewise
Ty Hildenbrandt 21:06 I kept coming back to this idea that this one's going to end up being a shootout.
Ty Hildenbrandt 21:11 I'm not so certain we can fully lean on Oregon's offense to carry them in a shootout.
Ty Hildenbrandt 21:17 I like the players.
Ty Hildenbrandt 21:19 I like Dante Moore.
Ty Hildenbrandt 21:21 I, of course, love the stat line we saw against Portland State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 21:25 But the broader theme for me is that they've been flat
Ty Hildenbrandt 21:28 that the offensive line has still been somewhat unsettled.
Ty Hildenbrandt 21:31 They've had some injuries.
Ty Hildenbrandt 21:33 If this is a game where they've got to score 35 to 38 points to win,
Ty Hildenbrandt 21:38 are we confident that this offense is finally going to wake up and stop sleepwalking?
Ty Hildenbrandt 21:43 I would expect that they would against a traditional rival like USC on the West Coast.
Ty Hildenbrandt 21:48 But I think that's a fair question to ask, no?
Dan Rubenstein 21:51 Totally fair.
Dan Rubenstein 21:53 Yeah, I I suspect, no insider knowledge here, I suspect Oregon has had this USC game circled all off season long, and perhaps
Dan Rubenstein 22:02 looked at the Oklahoma State and Boise State games as like, yeah, those are winnable games in which we don't have to fully show our hand.
Ty Hildenbrandt 22:06 Keksi on the kids.
Dan Rubenstein 22:10 Right?
Dan Rubenstein 22:11 And they were wrong.
Dan Rubenstein 22:12 Very clearly wrong.
Dan Rubenstein 22:14 But I I don't think
Dan Rubenstein 22:16 the way in which they lost to Oklahoma State, I don't think that's going to be on display against USC.
Dan Rubenstein 22:22 I think there's going to be
Dan Rubenstein 22:24 uh a wake up call.
Dan Rubenstein 22:25 I think there has been a wake-up call.
Dan Rubenstein 22:27 No, you you still gotta play the same players.
Dan Rubenstein 22:30 They still have to fix what needs fixing.
Dan Rubenstein 22:33 But I think there will be a sharpness and urgency to Oregon against USC that is going to look very different than where they were against Boise and Oklahoma State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 22:42 Just to play devil's advocate.
Dan Rubenstein 22:43 By all means.
Ty Hildenbrandt 22:45 Based on what?
Dan Rubenstein 22:47 Uh, based on Oregon going twenty-four and one or something in the last two years in the Big Ten, the regular season.
Dan Rubenstein 22:54 that Dan Lanning and Oregon, track record-wise, which is not everything, these are different teams.
Dan Rubenstein 23:00 Dylan Thineman is not lining up for this team, right?
Dan Rubenstein 23:03 Uh
Dan Rubenstein 23:04 uh Dillon Garbriel is not playing quarterback for this team.
Dan Rubenstein 23:08 Noel Whittington is not starting at running back.
Dan Rubenstein 23:10 You know, uh Kenyon Sadiq, you know, there's a lot of guys who are big deals who are not in this program anymore that contributed to that
Dan Rubenstein 23:17 Oregon, by and large, has lost two national championship caliber teams until Oklahoma State.
Dan Rubenstein 23:22 And we don't, I guess, know what Oklahoma State will be by the end of the season, but um
Dan Rubenstein 23:27 Oregon has done a good job getting ready for this game, for these types of games, and getting ready.
Dan Rubenstein 23:32 Dan Lanning wins a ton of games.
Dan Rubenstein 23:35 And
Dan Rubenstein 23:36 I have questions about the offensive line and Dante Moore in general in the passing game.
Dan Rubenstein 23:41 I don't have questions about the receivers, but that has seemed off to me, and now they're going on the road where the tackles haven't played super well.
Dan Rubenstein 23:49 in one game, essentially.
Dan Rubenstein 23:51 We don't have the data points here, but I I think the template is there for Oregon.
Dan Rubenstein 23:59 The question is execution.
Dan Rubenstein 24:01 The question is game planning and preparation.
Dan Rubenstein 24:04 And all things being equal, the game being in LA.
Ty Hildenbrandt 24:08 Mmärk?
Dan Rubenstein 24:09 The questions we still have about Oregon on both sides of the ball, I have USC winning in a shootout.
Ty Hildenbrandt 24:12 Truk?
Dan Rubenstein 24:15 I think this is their moment.
Dan Rubenstein 24:18 Now, I think Oregon has better receivers.
Dan Rubenstein 24:20 I think Oregon has has better high-end talent on both sides of the ball.
Dan Rubenstein 24:25 But that really hasn't been a question with Oregon.
Dan Rubenstein 24:27 They've assembled great rosters.
Dan Rubenstein 24:30 But in this spot?
Dan Rubenstein 24:34 I don't know.
Dan Rubenstein 24:34 We we kind of have to, this is like a prove it moment for Oregon because they have not proven it this year.
Ty Hildenbrandt 24:39 I have jotted down this is a big time prove it moment for USC as well, being so that the window is open right now, as Lincoln Riley has told us.
Dan Rubenstein 24:43 Totally.
Dan Rubenstein 24:45 The window is open.
Dan Rubenstein 24:46 I don't have the sound at the ready.
Dan Rubenstein 24:48 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 24:49 Thirty-eight thirty-five is my final score.
Ty Hildenbrandt 24:52 I've got USC outright as well.
Dan Rubenstein 24:54 I have forty one thirty-five USC
Ty Hildenbrandt 24:57 I cannot shake the idea that Oregon has seemed flat.
Ty Hildenbrandt 25:02 They weren't last week against Portland State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 25:04 I take nothing away from the Portland State game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 25:06 They might as well have played a high school.
Ty Hildenbrandt 25:09 But in the first two weeks of the year against what I would deem relatively decent opponents
Dan Rubenstein 25:14 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 25:14 Boise State, Oklahoma State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 25:17 I can't shake the feeling that it felt like the energy of this team was off.
Ty Hildenbrandt 25:21 Maybe they find it.
Ty Hildenbrandt 25:22 Maybe something lit a candle.
Ty Hildenbrandt 25:25 Lit a fire under you know what?
Dan Rubenstein 25:26 A torch like is going to be on display in the Coliseum, yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 25:27 A torch.
Ty Hildenbrandt 25:32 But uh 3835 USC.
Ty Hildenbrandt 25:35 I think this is the year for him.
Dan Rubenstein 25:36 Yeah, I I gotta see that comfort and confidence from Dante Moore before I feel good about him after that Oklahoma State game on the road in a in a place where they're going to need to score points
Dan Rubenstein 25:48 because there there's so much to me that is advantaged about Oregon here, but putting it all together, I I gotta see it before I believe in it.
Ty Hildenbrandt 25:55 Mm-hmm.
Dan Rubenstein 25:56 And I I know USC on the road across the country and they've always been bad on the road under Lincoln Riley
Dan Rubenstein 26:01 I don't know if it was a look ahead spot for them, whatever it was, I think they will be okay offensively against Oregon.
Dan Rubenstein 26:08 The question to me is how much can Oregon take advantage of what I still think is a vulnerable defense?
Ty Hildenbrandt 26:13 330 ABC.
Ty Hildenbrandt 26:15 Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the mother of all letdown games.
Ty Hildenbrandt 26:21 The mother of all letdown games, number four, Ole Miss on the road at number 21, Florida.
Ty Hildenbrandt 26:26 The Florida Gators are a three and a half point home favorite.
Ty Hildenbrandt 26:30 I repeat.
Ty Hildenbrandt 26:31 This is not a drill.
Ty Hildenbrandt 26:33 Florida is a three and a half point home favorite against the number four team in the land, an old miss team that everybody is impressed with, with good reason so far.
Ty Hildenbrandt 26:43 From our friends over at ESPN Bet, number four Ole Miss is currently a three and a half point underdog at number 21, Florida.
Ty Hildenbrandt 26:51 If that line holds, the Rebels would become just the fifth top five team since 1978 to close as an underdog against a team outside the top 20.
Ty Hildenbrandt 27:02 The previous four are 0-4 outright and against the spread.
Ty Hildenbrandt 27:07 Note that one if you are playing our run the board game out at portal.
Ty Hildenbrandt 27:10 solidverbal.
Ty Hildenbrandt 27:11 com, Dan, okay.
Dan Rubenstein 27:11 You're talking about the top five teams are oh and four against the spread in that spot.
Ty Hildenbrandt 27:15 In that spot, yeah.
Dan Rubenstein 27:16 I like Florida.
Dan Rubenstein 27:17 Continue.
Ty Hildenbrandt 27:19 Jon Sumrall said they got some good drugs out there.
Ty Hildenbrandt 27:21 Whoever's putting the point spreads out got some good drugs.
Dan Rubenstein 27:22 I I saw that.
Dan Rubenstein 27:23 Yep.
Ty Hildenbrandt 27:26 Three and a half points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 27:27 You you were uttering to yourself a moment ago, I like Florida, I like Florida, I like Florida.
Dan Rubenstein 27:31 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 27:32 Why do you like Florida?
Dan Rubenstein 27:33 Tough place to play.
Dan Rubenstein 27:35 Uh pass rush got home against Auburn.
Dan Rubenstein 27:37 I know there's still defensive questions for Florida, but the pass rush was there.
Dan Rubenstein 27:40 It's
Dan Rubenstein 27:40 basically impossible to get to and bring down Trinidad Trinidad Chambless, I understand.
Dan Rubenstein 27:45 But it's at least a sign of a spark up front for Florida, with uh the team looking like it's going to be led by their offense this season.
Dan Rubenstein 27:54 So
Dan Rubenstein 27:55 at home, tough place to play, perhaps a pass rush.
Dan Rubenstein 28:00 Buster Faulkner prepping for big games and maybe superior opponents has largely been successful, it seems.
Dan Rubenstein 28:06 during his time at Georgia Tech.
Dan Rubenstein 28:08 I like what Aaron Filo has looked like.
Dan Rubenstein 28:09 I like where the pop has been with the Florida offense.
Ty Hildenbrandt 28:10 Yeah, yeah.
Dan Rubenstein 28:13 I'm not gonna say that Florida should be able to control the ball.
Dan Rubenstein 28:16 uh on the ground, but obviously the excellence of Jadan Baugh is self-evident.
Dan Rubenstein 28:22 Um it is a letdown spot for Ole Miss.
Ty Hildenbrandt 28:26 Oh, the mother.
Dan Rubenstein 28:27 The mother of all letdown spots.
Ty Hildenbrandt 28:28 No, no, no, no, no.
Ty Hildenbrandt 28:30 The mother of all letdown spots.
Dan Rubenstein 28:31 The mother of all letdown spots, as Ty Hildenbrandt has pointed out now a couple times.
Dan Rubenstein 28:37 There's it it's just an impossible ask to me
Dan Rubenstein 28:41 and now we're looking at an Ole Miss team who I think we regard in uh like a a very high way.
Dan Rubenstein 28:50 The problem to me with Ole Miss is aside from the letdown thing
Dan Rubenstein 28:55 running back is kind of beat up in this moment.
Dan Rubenstein 28:58 And I just I I'm not there with them.
Dan Rubenstein 29:03 As being such a finished product when they threw everything physically, spiritually, and emotionally at the game last week that Pete Golding has the experience to regroup this team immediately
Dan Rubenstein 29:16 to beat what I think we perceive to be a pretty high quality Florida team.
Dan Rubenstein 29:23 I just think it's an impossible spot and I'm gonna give the points.
Dan Rubenstein 29:26 I have Florida winning this game.
Dan Rubenstein 29:27 Let me check my notes.
Dan Rubenstein 29:29 Florida winning 34 to 28.
Dan Rubenstein 29:31 Really fun one.
Ty Hildenbrandt 29:33 I would frame this game up by looking at two players, neither of whom is all that anonymous to this crowd.
Ty Hildenbrandt 29:42 The first is Trinidad Chambliss.
Ty Hildenbrandt 29:45 How does Florida deal with Trinidad Chambliss?
Ty Hildenbrandt 29:46 Trinidad Chambliss was the SEC offensive player of the week ago, given what he did against LSU.
Ty Hildenbrandt 29:51 Trinidad Chambliss might be the best player in college football.
Ty Hildenbrandt 29:54 He might be the number one quarterback off the board.
Dan Rubenstein 29:56 Who knows?
Ty Hildenbrandt 29:57 Obviously there's a lot to like about his game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:00 His accuracy, his movement both inside and out of the pocket
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:04 and just his ability to improvise when things break down.
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:07 He has been unbelievable so far this season.
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:10 He has picked up where he left off from a year ago.
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:13 To your point on the running game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:15 They have used a lot of quick game, a lot of short passes, almost to replace the traditional running game, as they've had to do that, Kiwan Lacey dealing with a bit of an injury right now as well.
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:26 We don't need to sit here and explain how Trinidad Chambliss is good.
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:29 If you've watched college football the last year and a half, you know Trinidad Chambliss is pretty damn good.
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:34 How does Florida answer that though
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:36 how does Florida deal with Trinidad Chambliss?
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:38 Last week against Auburn, Byron Brown is not Trinidad Chambliss, mind you, but last week against Auburn, in a very different offensive line, they had seven sacks.
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:46 In total, they had nine tackles for loss.
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:49 I'm curious to see if they can bring some of that heat to this game against Ole Miss.
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:54 They will be at home.
Ty Hildenbrandt 30:55 They're still dealing with a fair amount of their own cleanup work on the defensive side of the ball, notably coverage busts and just
Ty Hildenbrandt 31:03 not having discipline.
Ty Hildenbrandt 31:04 I think they had like, was it 16 penalties or something last week or the week before?
Ty Hildenbrandt 31:09 So discipline and those types of things at some point will definitely come back to bite them if they're not cleaned up.
Ty Hildenbrandt 31:16 But um I'm curious to see what this looks like.
Ty Hildenbrandt 31:19 I'm curious to see if they can contain Trinidad Chambliss, make them play a little bit more from the pocket without losing their discipline and giving up some of those big coverage busts.
Ty Hildenbrandt 31:28 That's the first thing.
Ty Hildenbrandt 31:29 Let's watch for that.
Ty Hildenbrandt 31:30 The second thing that I'm watching for is how Ole Miss deals with Jadan Baugh and the Florida running game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 31:38 Jadan Baugh had a buck 62 and three touchdowns a week ago.
Ty Hildenbrandt 31:42 Florida as a whole had nearly 250 rushing yards.
Ty Hildenbrandt 31:47 I think that's a problem for Ole Miss.
Ty Hildenbrandt 31:50 I think that's a problem, especially in a letdown game for Ole Miss.
Dan Rubenstein 31:54 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 31:54 There's a case to be made that the old miss tackling, both in the in the linebacking core and in the safety core, and just as a whole, their back seven, let's say, needs to improve.
Dan Rubenstein 32:04 Yep.
Ty Hildenbrandt 32:05 There's a case to be made that if you make Ole Miss defend the full field, that's going to open up some running lanes for a guy like a Jadan Baugh.
Dan Rubenstein 32:13 Sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt 32:13 And I think there's a case to be made that Jadan Baugh could have a really nice game on the ground here, which would benefit the Florida offense because if they can control on the ground, it takes some pressure off of Aaron Philo, it opens up the play action.
Ty Hildenbrandt 32:26 You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand how this thing all works together.
Dan Rubenstein 32:31 Sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt 32:32 Those two guys in particular are what I am watching.
Ty Hildenbrandt 32:36 And it ultimately comes down to which defense I trust a little bit more.
Ty Hildenbrandt 32:39 I think what we've seen out of Ole Miss so far has been incredibly encouraging, especially what they did to LSU.
Ty Hildenbrandt 32:44 Some of their personnel changes have helped.
Ty Hildenbrandt 32:46 Their pass rush has gotten better.
Ty Hildenbrandt 32:48 Still some issues with their coverage.
Ty Hildenbrandt 32:50 Still some issues on third down, but it's an improved unit.
Ty Hildenbrandt 32:52 And I feel pretty good about where they're at.
Dan Rubenstein 32:54 It's an interesting question about the Ole Miss defense because it it was clear that Sam Leavitt, and this is uh you know talking about an Ole Miss defense that didn't have to play against Trey'Dez Green near the end of that game last week, but
Dan Rubenstein 33:07 Sam Leavitt was not testing them downfield all that much.
Ty Hildenbrandt 33:09 Oh, he wasn't.
Dan Rubenstein 33:11 I imagine Florida's going to test more with a giant Will Echoles sized if
Dan Rubenstein 33:17 if Will Echoles is blocked up up front, which good luck.
Ty Hildenbrandt 33:22 Good luck, yeah, good luck.
Dan Rubenstein 33:23 Good luck.
Ty Hildenbrandt 33:23 Good luck.
Ty Hildenbrandt 33:24 I don't know.
Dan Rubenstein 33:24 Because when you you talk about the Ole Miss defense
Dan Rubenstein 33:27 when you can get interior pressure, and the edge guys have been doing pretty well as well for Ole Miss.
Dan Rubenstein 33:33 But when you can get pressure, that does cover for some things.
Dan Rubenstein 33:36 And LSU definitely struggled up front.
Dan Rubenstein 33:39 Trying to contain what Ole Miss can offer up front.
Dan Rubenstein 33:42 So that to me is an X factor here, and Will Echoles has had success basically against everybody.
Dan Rubenstein 33:47 He is that good.
Dan Rubenstein 33:49 So your questions are correct, but
Dan Rubenstein 33:52 you know, to quote the wise prophet David Pollack.
Ty Hildenbrandt 33:55 It all starts up front.
Dan Rubenstein 33:56 It all starts up front at the point of attack.
Ty Hildenbrandt 33:57 It does.
Ty Hildenbrandt 33:58 It does start up front.
Dan Rubenstein 33:59 So should mention that.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:01 You know, on the Florida side, look, I again, I think they can get pressure.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:04 I think they got to cut down on some of the mistakes.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:07 They also let Auburn back in that game.
Dan Rubenstein 34:10 That's true.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:11 A week ago, which should not be overlooked.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:13 I'm certain they will be pretty focused for this game.
Dan Rubenstein 34:17 Yeah, of course.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:18 I believe in the occult forces of the letdown game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:22 And I also believe, as I have the entire year through, that Florida is actually quite good.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:27 I've got Florida outright.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:28 What was your final score?
Dan Rubenstein 34:29 Thirty four twenty eight
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:31 Yeah, I think I think somewhere in that neighborhood is about right.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:34 Maybe not quite as many points.
Dan Rubenstein 34:36 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:37 Maybe it's like a thirty-one to
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:41 27 kind of game, somewhere in that neighborhood.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:45 On the whole, I'm expecting a lot of close games this weekend.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:48 I think this one's going to be fun.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:49 I think it's going to be a barn burner, but I think Florida wins outright.
Ty Hildenbrandt 34:51 I'm with you
Dan Rubenstein 34:52 Yeah, this is also like if you're
Dan Rubenstein 34:54 pretty positive there's that like Ole Miss is a better team than Florida at this point in the the Florida life cycle under Jon Sumrall.
Dan Rubenstein 35:02 And you're like, okay, if I just said they're playing week seven on a neutral field, you'd be like, yeah, give the points, Ole Miss is gonna win this game.
Dan Rubenstein 35:09 Right, that they're not in a let-down spot, they're not on the road or something like that.
Dan Rubenstein 35:12 And then the line goes the other way for obvious reasons given the situation.
Dan Rubenstein 35:17 And you're like, that's kind of a weird line.
Dan Rubenstein 35:19 lean into the weird.
Dan Rubenstein 35:20 That's uh you know one of the oldest solid verbal axioms that we can offer up.
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:25 Lean into the weird
Dan Rubenstein 35:25 Did I use did I is did I use the word axiom correctly?
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:28 I have no idea.
Dan Rubenstein 35:32 Um, I hope so.
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:35 We agree.
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:36 Wow.
Dan Rubenstein 35:36 We agree.
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:37 Let's go to 330 CBS.
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:40 Number 17, Iowa.
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:43 Number 18, Michigan.
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:45 Michigan, a five and a half point home favorite.
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:47 Your total is 38 and 12 points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:49 Are you surprised to see that?
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:50 I'm not.
Dan Rubenstein 35:51 Oh my lock of the week, you can even play it, is the under in this one.
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:56 Okay, we'll get to that in a second.
Dan Rubenstein 35:58 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:58 We'll get to that.
Dan Rubenstein 35:59 I'm not giving away the game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 35:59 We'll save it.
Dan Rubenstein 36:00 I'm not giving my pick yet, but continue.
Ty Hildenbrandt 36:03 Where does Michigan find enough offense to separate?
Ty Hildenbrandt 36:07 Not to win.
Dan Rubenstein 36:09 Right.
Ty Hildenbrandt 36:09 To separate in a five and a half point spread.
Ty Hildenbrandt 36:13 That's what I called out initially when I looked at this point spread.
Dan Rubenstein 36:16 Right.
Ty Hildenbrandt 36:16 I think I even said it aloud, Kate had no idea what I was talking about.
Ty Hildenbrandt 36:20 But where do they find the offense to separate by five and a half points?
Dan Rubenstein 36:23 They find the offense in the part of Jason Beck, offensive coordinator from Michigan, in the part of his brain.
Dan Rubenstein 36:31 That says, F it, let's open it up.
Dan Rubenstein 36:33 I know it's Iowa, but we can't win playing Iowa football.
Dan Rubenstein 36:38 We can't win by letting them dictate the terms of the competition.
Dan Rubenstein 36:43 Because when you do that, you fall into the trap of Iowa.
Dan Rubenstein 36:48 And sometimes you can get out with a 13-10 win, a 10-to-9 win, a 17-16 win.
Dan Rubenstein 36:55 But the best team at playing Iowa football is Iowa.
Dan Rubenstein 37:00 So there has to be, and I know throwing into the teeth of this Iowa defense and the aggressive Phil Parker zone, it's not recommended.
Dan Rubenstein 37:09 But you have to be able to game plan and pick your spots for the moments where you think you can win
Dan Rubenstein 37:17 and if you shrink away from finding those moments or taking advantage of those moments or making that call when that moment, you know, when you have that second and two moment, midfield or something like that.
Dan Rubenstein 37:29 That's that's the difference to me in this game because there are enough offensive skill pieces for Michigan to make plays, to make individual plays.
Dan Rubenstein 37:38 Whether it's JJW Cannon and Andrew Marsh or Heider or Jordan Marshall, whatever, those those pieces exist.
Ty Hildenbrandt 37:42 Right,
Dan Rubenstein 37:44 That's the separation.
Dan Rubenstein 37:45 That's the key is like, okay.
Dan Rubenstein 37:47 Bryce Underwood has played in three games now.
Dan Rubenstein 37:50 We've seen the best of him, we've seen the worst of him.
Dan Rubenstein 37:53 Do we trust that he can run this offense on second and one or whatever?
Dan Rubenstein 37:58 That to me is the whole thing is the trust in Bryce Underwood with the early disappointment to say
Dan Rubenstein 38:07 if we're going to have any semblance of a chance to move the ball, we have to just trust that he can make plays.
Dan Rubenstein 38:14 Trust the preparation.
Dan Rubenstein 38:16 That to me is is the the only key to the separation here.
Ty Hildenbrandt 38:17 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 38:23 Because Iowa's whole defensive premise is to force a team to be patient, force them to take underneath stuff, sustain drives, force them to make a mistake
Ty Hildenbrandt 38:35 reduce the number of possessions, control the clock, flip the field.
Ty Hildenbrandt 38:41 Short fields work very well for the Iowa Hawkeyes.
Ty Hildenbrandt 38:44 They've been very successful at creating them over the years.
Ty Hildenbrandt 38:46 That's part of why being a punter at Iowa is sort of a famous position.
Ty Hildenbrandt 38:50 That's what Iowa's going to try to do in this game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 38:53 And I do have questions about the Michigan offense's ability to
Ty Hildenbrandt 38:59 operate in that kind of box.
Ty Hildenbrandt 39:01 Their inside running game hasn't really developed yet.
Ty Hildenbrandt 39:03 It's a lot to the edges.
Ty Hildenbrandt 39:05 Their deep passing game, even though Bryce Underwood has improved as a passer, and I think we saw some growth in that UTEP game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 39:13 The deep passing game, especially to the outside, isn't there yet.
Dan Rubenstein 39:16 Well they had a big one.
Dan Rubenstein 39:17 Uh they had a big one against a Mac team, right?
Dan Rubenstein 39:20 If memory serves, a pretty consequential deep pass.
Ty Hildenbrandt 39:22 Sure, but on the whole, on the whole, it's not like this is a fully matured deep passing game.
Dan Rubenstein 39:22 Don't don't pay attention to the details.
Dan Rubenstein 39:24 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 39:30 They had two attempts of more than 20 yards a week ago against UTEP, both of which were incompletions.
Ty Hildenbrandt 39:35 Combine that with the fact that they've also had a bit of a ball security issue.
Ty Hildenbrandt 39:38 Bryce Underwood has.
Ty Hildenbrandt 39:40 He's fumbled in each of the last three games.
Dan Rubenstein 39:40 Right, that's the thing.
Dan Rubenstein 39:41 You hand Iowa the ball.
Dan Rubenstein 39:43 Good night.
Ty Hildenbrandt 39:44 So I don't know if we can necessarily count on Bryce Underwood to make Iowa pay for what appears to be a pretty obvious defensive game plan.
Ty Hildenbrandt 39:56 They're gonna do their part to try and take away whatever Michigan wants to do on the ground, and they're gonna see if they can play Iowa Ball.
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:03 That's it.
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:05 That's what they do.
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:06 I don't know if Michigan's progressed enough offensively to get to that point yet.
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:11 I think they're good enough to win this game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:12 I believe they will win this game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:14 My biggest issue is with that point spread.
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:17 Because I just don't see the separation on offense
Dan Rubenstein 40:20 Yeah, you got you gotta trust Bryce Underwood at a certain uh to a certain extent, whatever, no matter who the opponent is, that you can't play scared, you can't play tight, and that's how you do get those turnovers, right?
Dan Rubenstein 40:31 By you're so scared of making mistakes
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:31 Sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:32 Now now let me let me interrupt you though, because uh we have a lot of Michigan people that listen to this, many of whom right now are probably screaming.
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:40 at their phones or whatever they're listening to this on.
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:43 Well what about the Iowa offense?
Dan Rubenstein 40:45 That's the question.
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:46 What about the Iowa offense?
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:48 Doesn't that cut both ways?
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:49 Absolutely it cuts both ways.
Dan Rubenstein 40:51 It has to.
Dan Rubenstein 40:51 I was trying to I was trying to turn it, but continue.
Ty Hildenbrandt 40:54 Hank Brown, now the clear number one quarterback at Iowa, was very efficient last week.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:00 Twelve of twelve, one hundred fifty-three yards, two touchdowns against Northern Iowa.
Dan Rubenstein 41:04 Yeah, great.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:05 There's a lot of check downs, a lot of risk avoidance.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:09 They haven't really faced adversity yet with this offense.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:13 And so, yes, what we saw a week ago was all very encouraging.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:16 Let's see what they do against Michigan.
Dan Rubenstein 41:18 Didn't they score nearly seventeen points in the Psyhawk game?
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:21 Nearly seventeen points.
Dan Rubenstein 41:22 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:24 They haven't faced this level of adversity and certainly not this level of a defense.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:28 So, no, we're not going to see Hank Brown going out there and slinging it for 300.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:32 We're not going to see much explosivity in this offense.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:35 They're not going to get the 30 points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:36 No one's going to get the 30 points in this game.
Dan Rubenstein 41:39 Hard to say.
Dan Rubenstein 41:40 Yep.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:41 I've got it at like twenty to seventeen, Michigan.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:46 I think it's somewhere in that neighborhood.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:49 I'm not expecting any kind of crazy offensive showing from either of these two sides.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:54 I think this is going to be defense.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:56 I think this is going to be field position.
Ty Hildenbrandt 41:57 I think this is going to be whoever makes the big mistake first is the one that ends up losing.
Ty Hildenbrandt 42:02 So I guess I'm gonna take the points here, even though I think Michigan's gonna end up being the winner.
Dan Rubenstein 42:07 Uh I don't think Iowa can hank Brown their way to a win in the big house against this defense.
Dan Rubenstein 42:13 The Michigan defense is nasty.
Dan Rubenstein 42:15 The Michigan defense is every bit the defense that Iowa's is and playing at home at their best.
Dan Rubenstein 42:24 And Iowa hasn't had to play against an offense to really prove what they can do yet.
Dan Rubenstein 42:30 Not that Michigan has played against an offense either, but
Dan Rubenstein 42:34 Hank Brown completed one long pass against Iowa State, and that was kind of it.
Dan Rubenstein 42:40 He has been pretty pedestrian.
Dan Rubenstein 42:42 The offense has been pretty pedestrian through the air this season.
Dan Rubenstein 42:46 And now you're going on the road against a killer, what could be a killer defense.
Dan Rubenstein 42:52 You know, my lock is the under.
Dan Rubenstein 42:53 I have this as 1613 Michigan.
Dan Rubenstein 43:02 I I do not see a way for this game to go over.
Dan Rubenstein 43:06 Truly.
Dan Rubenstein 43:07 Because if you if you if you think it's going to be somewhere around the line, single-digit points, you're saying this is going to be a 21-17, 22-17?
Dan Rubenstein 43:17 I don't see multiple touchdowns.
Dan Rubenstein 43:18 I don't see four or five total touchdowns in this game.
Dan Rubenstein 43:22 So, no.
Dan Rubenstein 43:23 Give me give me the under.
Dan Rubenstein 43:24 Give me Michigan close.
Dan Rubenstein 43:26 There's a there's a little bit more to like about what this offense could be.
Dan Rubenstein 43:30 Uh we're going Michigan, but uh Iowa covering here.
Ty Hildenbrandt 43:34 We agree again.
Ty Hildenbrandt 43:35 This is not good for you if we're agreeing on all these picks, Dan.
Dan Rubenstein 43:36 Again.
Ty Hildenbrandt 43:38 But okay, here we go.
Ty Hildenbrandt 43:40 We want to give some love to the Big 12.
Ty Hildenbrandt 43:43 Let's give some love to the Big 12.
Dan Rubenstein 43:44 Definitely
Ty Hildenbrandt 43:45 This may not be the highest profile matchup this week.
Ty Hildenbrandt 43:48 We're going to rifle through a bunch of them here momentarily.
Ty Hildenbrandt 43:52 But I want to give a shout out to Oklahoma State and West Virginia.
Ty Hildenbrandt 43:56 7 p.
Ty Hildenbrandt 43:57 m.
Ty Hildenbrandt 43:57 FS1, West Virginia, a point and a half home favorite.
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:01 These are two of the most interesting teams in college football.
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:03 There is no reason we shouldn't give this game its due.
Dan Rubenstein 44:06 Agree.
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:07 West Virginia three and oh beat number twenty-five Virginia in the neutral site game thirty-eight to twenty-seven a week ago
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:14 Oklahoma State, well, we've been talking a lot about Oklahoma State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:17 Lost to Tulsa, what's going on?
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:19 The sky is falling.
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:21 Rebounded by beating Oregon and then beating Murray State last week there, suddenly two and one.
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:25 Suddenly we're fielding messages from people.
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:27 Asking why isn't Oklahoma State ranked?
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:30 Okay, we can have that conversation.
Dan Rubenstein 44:31 Yeah.
Dan Rubenstein 44:32 Sure.
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:34 Both teams clearly, clearly look better now than they did very early on.
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:40 I tend to trust Oklahoma State a little bit more at this point.
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:45 I was wondering if you feel similarly, because this is a road game.
Dan Rubenstein 44:49 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:50 West Virginia, as I said, a pain in the ass with Rich Rodriguez.
Dan Rubenstein 44:54 Mm-hmm.
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:55 They're gonna run the crap out of the ball.
Ty Hildenbrandt 44:57 I'm not certain that Oklahoma State is built to contend with that rushing attack, but I just feel like they have more ways that they can score points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 45:05 And I'm still not fully convinced on that West Virginia defensive side.
Ty Hildenbrandt 45:09 I think they're better, perhaps, than I thought at the start of the year.
Ty Hildenbrandt 45:13 I'm not convinced that they can stop an offense that can beat you a couple different ways like this.
Dan Rubenstein 45:18 I think I'm same page.
Dan Rubenstein 45:20 I think there is something crazy impressive about where West Virginia has gotten to offensively with Michael Hawkins, who was sensational against Virginia last week.
Dan Rubenstein 45:32 Defensively, a lot of timely blitzing, a lot of Virginia maybe not being super thrilled about Beau Pribula picking apart a defense on a neutral site.
Dan Rubenstein 45:42 uh helping with that win.
Dan Rubenstein 45:44 Um I I thought it was West Virginia being brilliant.
Dan Rubenstein 45:47 Like the I just thought their game plan was great, the execution was great, the playmaking was great.
Dan Rubenstein 45:52 If we're to believe Oklahoma State's win over Oregon was not only because of Drew Mestermaker and the offense making great plays.
Dan Rubenstein 46:02 Um
Dan Rubenstein 46:03 and the defense making great plays and it being like a weird situational spot for Oregon and Oregon being unprepared.
Dan Rubenstein 46:11 that we can just say Oklahoma State is a team that looks like it is in the process of arriving.
Dan Rubenstein 46:16 That it it wasn't only an isolated terrific performance, that there's something more to Oklahoma State that
Dan Rubenstein 46:22 the t uh the t say Tulane, the Tulsa game was not indicative of what they are big picture, then they should be fine in this game.
Dan Rubenstein 46:29 They have the better quarterback.
Dan Rubenstein 46:31 It seems I mean as good as Cam Cook is, I think the collection of what Oklahoma State has on offense is superior.
Dan Rubenstein 46:37 Um the defense against Oregon was largely very good, but did allow some bigger plays.
Dan Rubenstein 46:45 West Virginia's playing at home in this game.
Dan Rubenstein 46:47 The line does seem weird because West Virginia has had sort of an up and down season, I guess in the same way that Oklahoma State has, but it's at home for West Virginia.
Dan Rubenstein 46:57 When I go back and forth with a game, with a matchup, I think I'm just gonna go quarterback.
Dan Rubenstein 47:03 I think I'm just going to go with
Dan Rubenstein 47:06 the seasoning of Drew Mestermaker in a spot like this.
Dan Rubenstein 47:09 Now obviously this is first year playing in power conference football, but
Dan Rubenstein 47:14 i'm going to go with what I think is the lean at quarterback.
Dan Rubenstein 47:19 So I'm going Drew Mestemaker.
Dan Rubenstein 47:22 I'm going Oklahoma State.
Dan Rubenstein 47:23 I'm going maybe a little bit of a letdown spot for West Virginia as well.
Dan Rubenstein 47:26 That's a pretty big win, all things considered, early on in the Rich Rod tenure two point oh.
Ty Hildenbrandt 47:29 Hell yeah.
Dan Rubenstein 47:31 So
Dan Rubenstein 47:32 i'm going Oklahoma State here.
Dan Rubenstein 47:34 I think they actually should be able to uh to control the game a bit more on the ground.
Ty Hildenbrandt 47:38 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 47:39 Well, I mean, a couple things for me.
Ty Hildenbrandt 47:42 I'm curious to see how Oklahoma State contains or if they can contain Michael Hawkins Jr.
Ty Hildenbrandt 47:48 Michael Hawkins Jr.
Ty Hildenbrandt 47:49 has been something of a revelation.
Ty Hildenbrandt 47:50 He seems like a really good fit for the Rich Rod system.
Ty Hildenbrandt 47:52 He got off to a bit of a rocky start against Virginia, but then finished really strong.
Ty Hildenbrandt 47:57 A dangerous player when the structure of an offense breaks.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:01 You know, like he's got the legs that he can create explosives
Dan Rubenstein 48:01 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:05 They don't want 35 throws per game out of him.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:07 That's not what they're going for.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:09 But if they can use him in this capacity where he's constantly putting defenses in conflict, that's a win for West Virginia.
Dan Rubenstein 48:15 Agree.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:16 On the Oklahoma State side, that's a challenge.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:20 Early on, they had some issues with tackling.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:23 We saw that they were able to correct some of that in the Oregon win.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:27 I don't know if they can be disciplined enough to fully contain Michael Hawkins Jr.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:33 , but I do think they're gonna be able to generate some takeaway chances.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:37 He is not a fully mature quarterback at this point, especially the way they use him.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:41 And so I could see them creating some chances for their defense.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:44 If they're able to shut down Michael Hawkins Jr.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:48 to some degree, that puts much more emphasis on Cam Cook.
Ty Hildenbrandt 48:51 who I love, who I think is the identity of this offense, who through three weeks of the season has already had two thirty carry games.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:00 Rich Rod trusts him, brought him up from Jacksonville State, he trusts him to be sort of the physical brand.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:05 of this offense that they're trying to build.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:08 But I still think that there are more ways for Oklahoma State to win.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:11 I expect Cam Cook will get his.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:14 in this matchup.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:15 I am just not fully sold on the West Virginia defense.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:18 And I think Drew Mestermaker is just sort of finding his way now as he is arrived at the power four level.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:24 Tough spot, road spot.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:26 I do think West Virginia is going to be better than we expected.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:30 But I would be a hypocrite at this point if I didn't fully go back and throw my hat in the ring of Oklahoma State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:36 Perhaps I was early to being early.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:39 Because remember, I was all about Oklahoma State until they lost.
Dan Rubenstein 49:42 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:43 Then I bailed.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:44 Then they beat Oregon.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:45 They looked good last week.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:47 I'm back, baby.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:48 I'm back.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:49 Give me Oklahoma State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:51 Give me 'em outright.
Ty Hildenbrandt 49:52 We'll say something in the neighborhood of like 38 to 28.
Dan Rubenstein 50:00 Okay, some points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:02 I think we're gonna see points in this game.
Dan Rubenstein 50:04 All right.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:04 I think it'll be a fun matchup.
Dan Rubenstein 50:05 We agree once again
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:08 You wanna play some Quad Fathers?
Dan Rubenstein 50:09 I would love to
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:15 There are too many matchups this weekend, Dan.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:18 If you are at home yelling at the screen, yelling at your phone, yelling at your speakers, saying you didn't talk about games yet
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:25 and we're 50 minutes in.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:26 Yeah, we know.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:28 We had two calls this week trying to figure out how to deal with all these games.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:31 This was the best we could do.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:33 Please show us a little bit of grace.
Dan Rubenstein 50:35 That'd be nice.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:36 We have done this before, where we tried to organize games into quads.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:42 There are a boatload of games.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:44 In the early block, in the mid afternoon block, in the evening block, even in the Friday block.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:51 Let's go through those now.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:53 I am gonna go through rapid fire.
Dan Rubenstein 50:53 Lots of
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:54 We're gonna talk through these games.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:56 We are gonna give some picks for these games.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:58 Are you ready?
Dan Rubenstein 50:58 I'm ready.
Ty Hildenbrandt 50:59 In the early block, there are four games that are of note to me.
Ty Hildenbrandt 51:03 Those being Wake Forest at Louisville, Illinois at Ohio State, UCLA at Maryland, and Notre Dame at Purdue.
Ty Hildenbrandt 51:13 Which of those four games do you have the strongest lean on?
Ty Hildenbrandt 51:17 And which to you is the most interesting?
Dan Rubenstein 51:19 Notre Dame is my lock of the week.
Ty Hildenbrandt 51:21 Lock of the week, okay
Dan Rubenstein 51:21 Lock of the week
Dan Rubenstein 51:27 good amount of travel for Purdue.
Dan Rubenstein 51:29 Purdue through the air was very good against UCLA.
Dan Rubenstein 51:33 I'm not sure what the defense can do exactly, and if there were a team
Dan Rubenstein 51:38 that Notre Dame would love to get to continue to get right on offense, I think it's the Purdue defense right now.
Dan Rubenstein 51:44 I think they win this game going fifty-two to ten or something like that.
Dan Rubenstein 51:47 So
Dan Rubenstein 51:48 I really like Notre Dame in this spot.
Dan Rubenstein 51:50 The Louisville spot's interesting to me, though the Wake Forest defense hasn't been there thus far.
Dan Rubenstein 51:54 Nearly losing
Dan Rubenstein 51:56 to Purdue and giving up the number of points that they did against the Boilermakers.
Dan Rubenstein 52:00 So I do like Louisville comfortable there.
Dan Rubenstein 52:05 I I think it's too many points for Ohio State, though I think they win comfortably.
Dan Rubenstein 52:10 Um I I look
Dan Rubenstein 52:13 if Illinois' gonna succeed against anybody this year, it's probably gonna be because of the Colin Dixon and Caden Houser connection.
Dan Rubenstein 52:19 I don't think it's gonna be there all that much against Ohio State and that secondary and that pass rush, whatever.
Dan Rubenstein 52:25 But I still think it's too many points.
Dan Rubenstein 52:28 Something like final score 35-17 in this one.
Dan Rubenstein 52:33 Like it's comfortable, but it they don't hit that three touchdown thing.
Dan Rubenstein 52:36 I just
Dan Rubenstein 52:36 I think Illinois of too high quality.
Dan Rubenstein 52:38 Uh but we'll see.
Dan Rubenstein 52:39 Um but it's also at noon, so it's a sleepy big noon.
Dan Rubenstein 52:42 I don't know.
Dan Rubenstein 52:43 Um I I actually really like Maryland at home against UCLA.
Ty Hildenbrandt 52:45 Oh man, UCLA is one of my two locks of the week.
Ty Hildenbrandt 52:53 Love UCLA in that matchup.
Dan Rubenstein 52:55 Okay.
Dan Rubenstein 52:56 If you love UCLA, wouldn't you be a little bit confused why they're only a point and a half favorite?
Ty Hildenbrandt 53:01 I am a little bit confused.
Dan Rubenstein 53:02 Okay, so you are not steering into the weird in this one.
Dan Rubenstein 53:06 So cross-country travel, heavily penalized, shootout against Purdue last week.
Dan Rubenstein 53:12 So I don't think we're in love with the UCLA defense at this moment.
Dan Rubenstein 53:16 And now they travel across the country to play against a Maryland team, obviously who didn't look great against Virginia Tech last week.
Dan Rubenstein 53:22 And UCLA, they do have a bye week next week, but their next game.
Dan Rubenstein 53:26 is against Oregon in Eugene.
Ty Hildenbrandt 53:27 Correct, correct.
Dan Rubenstein 53:29 So situationally, I don't think I'm thrilled with UCLA here.
Dan Rubenstein 53:33 I think the future is brighter in Westwood for the Bruins than what the Terps are right now.
Dan Rubenstein 53:39 But I think they're going to be able to get to Nico some.
Dan Rubenstein 53:42 I do think like the word is out on UCLA, you gotta direct everything at the run.
Dan Rubenstein 53:47 You gotta make Nico beat you.
Dan Rubenstein 53:49 Easier said than done with a couple of these backs, especially Wayne Knight thriving.
Dan Rubenstein 53:54 But I I think situationally, I don't think UCLA is a good play here.
Dan Rubenstein 53:58 I'm going Maryland.
Ty Hildenbrandt 53:59 UCLA scored fifty-two.
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:01 They look capable of scoring even more.
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:03 The defense gave up what thirty-eight?
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:07 They broke down on some like obvious passing downs from what I could see.
Dan Rubenstein 54:07 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:13 Um it was not a great defensive showing
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:17 I do think they're good enough though offensively that they can outscore a team like a Maryland.
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:22 I'm gonna be watching in particular like
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:26 obvious passing downs in this game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:28 If Maryland repeatedly is getting easy completions on third and long, third and medium
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:36 then it's I think a fair question to start talking about UCLA's defense.
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:41 And maybe the issues that we saw a week ago against Purdue weren't just isolated to Purdue.
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:46 I'm not willing to kind of jump to that conclusion yet, which is why I like UCLA here going away.
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:52 I think UCLA is a pretty good team.
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:54 I don't think they're going to win the Big Ten.
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:55 I don't think they're going to get 10 for the Big Ten.
Dan Rubenstein 54:55 I think they're good.
Dan Rubenstein 54:56 I think they're pretty good.
Ty Hildenbrandt 54:57 But I think they're a pretty good team.
Dan Rubenstein 54:57 Yeah, they've given up nearly a hundred yards per game in penalties, almost eleven penalties a game.
Dan Rubenstein 55:03 Oddly enough, Wake and Louisville
Dan Rubenstein 55:05 are two of the three worst power conference teams in terms of penalties and they're playing against each other.
Dan Rubenstein 55:11 So a lot of free yardage in that one.
Dan Rubenstein 55:13 I I don't love where UCLA is at defensively in this one.
Dan Rubenstein 55:17 I think they're a better team.
Dan Rubenstein 55:18 I think there's a bad spot.
Ty Hildenbrandt 55:19 I like Wake Forest plus the twelve and a half.
Dan Rubenstein 55:22 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 55:23 I like Illinois plus the 27 and a half.
Ty Hildenbrandt 55:27 I like UCLA minus the one and a half, and I also like Notre Dame minus the 27 and a half.
Ty Hildenbrandt 55:32 I think that's fair.
Dan Rubenstein 55:33 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 55:34 Let's go to the afternoon block.
Ty Hildenbrandt 55:40 You have a leg day as part of your workout?
Dan Rubenstein 55:42 Oh yeah, I do, buddy.
Dan Rubenstein 55:44 Um do you do you want to give an ex like an explanation about whose voice that was and why we're referencing quads for the new audience?
Ty Hildenbrandt 55:50 That's the quadfather.
Ty Hildenbrandt 55:51 That's the quadfather.
Dan Rubenstein 55:53 I know, but we pick up people along the way who don't understand why we're talking quads.
Ty Hildenbrandt 55:57 I even forget the guy's name.
Ty Hildenbrandt 55:58 What was it?
Ty Hildenbrandt 55:59 Tom.
Dan Rubenstein 55:59 Tom something.
Dan Rubenstein 56:00 I was gonna say Tom Emanski, but I don't know if he I know
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:01 No, no, Tomansky does something.
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:03 He throws the ball into the uh trash can from like left field.
Dan Rubenstein 56:05 The trash can at home plate, yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:06 Right.
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:07 Um yeah, look them up look up the Quadfather.
Dan Rubenstein 56:07 Um, Platz
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:10 But the Quadfather noted Wacko, um Tom Platz, thank you, um, was was all about building gigantic quads.
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:18 And so what two years ago we started doing the Quad Father thing.
Dan Rubenstein 56:18 Yes.
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:21 We didn't do it last year as much, but in situations like this where we have to group games in quads because there's so many to talk about, that's why we play the
Dan Rubenstein 56:28 And you can watch and you can watch the multi-view quad, whether it's like FUBO or YouTube TV or whatever.
Dan Rubenstein 56:34 And so we're trying to trying to help you out there.
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:36 Three thirty is loaded.
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:38 Your window of opportunity, by the way.
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:40 It's early.
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:43 If you're this deep into your Saturday and you have not taken the break, you have not gone out to do the apple picking, go see cats, whatever you're into.
Dan Rubenstein 56:43 Is it born?
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:52 You're pretty much screwed.
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:53 Hopefully you had accommodations for this week long in advance.
Ty Hildenbrandt 56:57 We did our part to try and make sure you knew that this was coming in week four.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:00 But um
Dan Rubenstein 57:01 Right.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:01 If you must go out there and be amongst the people, if there is like a kid's birthday party or something of that nature, try to like let's let's do this early, guys.
Dan Rubenstein 57:11 I'm trying to understand the reasoning why you think it's early and not late.
Dan Rubenstein 57:14 I guess it's if you're looking at the the USC Oregon game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:16 Late?
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:18 Late?
Dan Rubenstein 57:21 Well look, to me that's the biggest game because I'm an Oregon fan, but early you get Texas, Tennessee.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:26 Oregon, you hold on.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:28 W what are we talking about here?
Dan Rubenstein 57:28 Yeah
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:31 My God in heaven, what are we talking about here?
Dan Rubenstein 57:31 Okay.
Dan Rubenstein 57:34 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:34 You would want to skip this late slate.
Dan Rubenstein 57:34 I'm just No, I'm not I don't want to skip anything.
Dan Rubenstein 57:39 I don't Texas, Tennessee, I don't I don't think it's a skippable week is what I'm saying.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:39 Good Lord.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:43 It's not a skipable week, no.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:44 The combination of the games that will be ending.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:47 With the games that will be beginning in that late block, to me makes it unmissable.
Dan Rubenstein 57:50 Yeah.
Dan Rubenstein 57:53 Yes.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:53 It's unmissable.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:55 It's not just the Oregon game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:57 We've also got Missouri, Mississippi State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 57:59 We've also got
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:01 basically an elimination game between Texas A&M and LSU.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:05 South Carolina, Alabama, I think will be very interesting.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:08 If you are not an SEC fan.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:12 Perhaps you're a Mountain West fan, a Big 12 fan, an ACC fan.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:16 I could see how you would build the case to make the window of opportunity late.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:22 Maybe you just don't give a rip about those power conferences.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:25 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:26 That I can make a case for.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:28 But as a national host, come on, man.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:31 I can't good faith come to you with that.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:33 I can't do it.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:34 330, Oklahoma, Georgia.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:36 Georgia favored by 14.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:37 330, Utah, minus 8 on the road at Iowa State.
Dan Rubenstein 58:42 Oh,
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:43 3.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:43 30, Boise State, minus 7 on the road at Western Michigan, the Battle of the Broncos.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:50 And then at 5 p.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:52 m.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:52 Which somebody over at Peacock needs to get on the horn and explain to me.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:56 5 p.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:57 m.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:58 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:59 5 p.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:59 m.
Ty Hildenbrandt 58:59 Wisconsin on the road at number 13, Penn State, Penn State favored by 10 points.
Dan Rubenstein 59:03 Possible spice, yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:06 I think definite spice.
Dan Rubenstein 59:07 Okay
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:08 I'm on Wisconsin there.
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:09 Not to win outright.
Dan Rubenstein 59:10 Are you just not a Penn State believer at this moment?
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:13 Not yet, no.
Dan Rubenstein 59:14 What do you want to see?
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:14 Not yet.
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:16 And also I should add, just shortly before we hit go live here, Koby Howard, the breakout wide receiver for Penn State, going to be down for a while.
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:24 Not season ending per Matt Campbell.
Dan Rubenstein 59:26 Oh, that's a good thing.
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:26 But out for an extended period of time, which could affect, I would imagine, something that passing game.
Dan Rubenstein 59:29 Turning into a yeah, gravitational type player, breakout candidate for Penn State against Marshall and Buffalo and whoever else.
Dan Rubenstein 59:39 Yeah, Temple.
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:39 I'm worried about Colton Joseph and what he could do to this Penn State defense.
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:43 I am not sold on the Penn State defense yet.
Dan Rubenstein 59:46 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:47 I'm not sold Wisconsin's good enough to win this game on the road early evening in Beaver Stadium.
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:54 I'm not convinced that Penn State's going to be able to cover this point spread, though.
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:58 Ten is a lot here.
Ty Hildenbrandt 59:59 So for me, until further notice, I need to see that Penn State can cover a point spread like this before I'm willing to put enough faith in the defense to maintain that level of separation.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:00:12 I also think that
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:00:14 Wisconsin was kind of spicy against Notre Dame.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:00:16 If only for a half.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:00:18 I think the defense looked pretty good.
Dan Rubenstein 01:00:18 Right.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:00:20 I think Colton Joseph, the best of Colton Joseph, if managed effectively, can be pretty good.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:00:26 I just don't think that this is going to be the same level of Penn State defense that we're accustomed to seeing.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:00:31 And for those reasons, I'm on Penn State maybe with a score like 24-17.
Dan Rubenstein 01:00:36 Okay, so not covering.
Dan Rubenstein 01:00:39 I I understand you're saying Colton Joseph, and I think he's good, but
Dan Rubenstein 01:00:44 is there anything about the Wisconsin experience this year, last year, whatever, that has you feeling great about them on the road against, at the very least, a decent team?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:00:53 Is it is a fair point.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:00:56 And I do think Penn State is at the very least a decent team.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:01:00 This is more a lack of confidence in the Penn State defense than it is
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:01:07 overwhelming confidence of what Wisconsin can do on offense.
Dan Rubenstein 01:01:10 I mean the game's at Penn State
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:01:12 I think it's gonna be close.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:01:14 I expect it to be close.
Dan Rubenstein 01:01:16 I think twenty-eight seventeen Penn State.
Dan Rubenstein 01:01:18 I think they cover.
Dan Rubenstein 01:01:19 I just don't see where the pop is.
Dan Rubenstein 01:01:20 I think it was Tyrell Henry who had a nice breakthrough performance against Eastern Michigan.
Dan Rubenstein 01:01:25 Fact check me on that last week.
Dan Rubenstein 01:01:28 I just y you gotta see something from Wisconsin's offense at for over four quarters versus a a decent team before you feel like they can be competitive.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:01:34 Listen, if you don't want to listen to the Penn State grad, that's fine.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:01:38 Do do do your worst.
Dan Rubenstein 01:01:38 I don't.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:01:40 Do your worst.
Dan Rubenstein 01:01:41 I I trust that you definitely have watched more Penn State and have formed more complete opinions about this Penn State team right now.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:01:48 You're not covering this point, spread.
Dan Rubenstein 01:01:50 I can understand why you'd have trepidation about picking Penn State against a clear, decent, or pretty good team to cover a uh an impressive point spread.
Dan Rubenstein 01:02:00 I've just seen enough out of Wisconsin recently that there's just much more prove it on that side of the field to me.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02:06 I was very close to making this a lock of the week.
Dan Rubenstein 01:02:10 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02:11 I feel fairly confident that Wisconsin covers.
Dan Rubenstein 01:02:14 You think that Penn State's defense is bad enough that guys will emerge for Wisconsin or continue to emerge?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02:20 I don't think that it's bad.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02:22 I just don't think it's quite as disruptive as it's been in the past.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02:26 And I think with a quarterback like Colton Joseph, who can move, who can present a different kind of challenge, that puts Penn State in a little bit of a pickle.
Dan Rubenstein 01:02:34 All right, fair enough.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02:34 That's all.
Dan Rubenstein 01:02:36 We disagree.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02:37 330 ESPN.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02:39 I mentioned the Oklahoma Georgia game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02:41 Georgia favored by 14.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02:43 Oklahoma bringing its offense to this game in Athens.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02:47 It will have its defense there too.
Dan Rubenstein 01:02:49 Yeah
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02:50 The defense is the case for them covering in this point spread or covering this point spread in this game
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:02:56 I don't really have much I can say about the offense, though.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:00 And that's sort of the issue I have with respect to can they cover, can they win?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:04 How on earth does Oklahoma score?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:07 1.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:08 9 yards per carry against New Mexico, virtually no yards before contact.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:13 We've got defenses that now can just load the box, play cover zero if they want to.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:17 John Mateer is not punishing anybody deep.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:20 And Georgia is good enough to make all of that worse.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:27 And on top of it
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:28 the perceived strength of this Oklahoma team, the defense, the defensive front, looks like it's going to be down David Stone, who hurt his knee.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:38 What am I betting on here?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:40 Why would I bet Oklahoma?
Dan Rubenstein 01:03:44 Sooner magic, Ty.
Dan Rubenstein 01:03:45 Sooner magic.
Dan Rubenstein 01:03:46 Uh why are you betting Oklahoma in this one?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:46 Hold on.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:47 I'm sorry.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:47 Can you speak into my good ear?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:48 Did you say sooner magic?
Dan Rubenstein 01:03:50 Sooner magic.
Dan Rubenstein 01:03:51 No, okay, why are you betting Oklahoma in this game?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:03:51 Okay.
Dan Rubenstein 01:03:53 The the reason why you bet Oklahoma is pretty simple.
Dan Rubenstein 01:03:56 There's still enough on this defense.
Dan Rubenstein 01:03:58 that they're just not gonna lose big.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:00 They haven't lost big with this bad offense in quite some time.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:04 They win ugly, they lose ugly.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:06 That's what happens when you've got a killer defense, even without David Stone.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:10 They have depth pieces.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:12 I don't love this Oklahoma team.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:04:13 I'm fully out, dog.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:04:15 I'm out.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:16 But when okay, I I'm with you.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:20 The vibes are bad.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:22 Understandably so.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:23 The vibes are bad.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:24 Uh the play at the line of scrimmage on offense has been bad because they've been beat up.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:28 They haven't been able to consistently run.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:30 Obviously, they didn't do anything offensively basically against New Mexico last week.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:34 I think you're I think you can play to a level, play to an environmental level.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:39 The environment's gonna be pretty significant.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:42 By the way, I think is this the first time they've played since the Rose Bowl, like the all-time playoff classic?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:04:46 Maybe, yeah.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:48 I think it is.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:49 Um
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:52 I think they can I think the defense can ugly this up.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:56 I don't think they're winning this game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:04:57 No, they're not winning this game.
Dan Rubenstein 01:04:58 I truly don't.
Dan Rubenstein 01:05:00 I just think it'll be a 20 to 13 game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:03 All right, we d we I mean it could be.
Dan Rubenstein 01:05:03 22 to 14, something like that.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:06 I I understand that logic.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:08 I'm just I'm I wouldn't bet this game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:10 I think we put this game under on the board, so you're gonna have to pick it if you play in the pool.
Dan Rubenstein 01:05:14 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:16 But I just uh whatever.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:19 330 Fox, Utah.
Dan Rubenstein 01:05:19 Yep.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:21 I mentioned eight point favorite on the road at Iowa State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:26 Utah is basically just gonna tell Jaylen Raynor to throw it, right?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:30 Like they're they're gonna force him to throw it.
Dan Rubenstein 01:05:30 Yes.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:32 They're gonna force him to make some mistakes.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:33 Jaylen Raynor, for his part, has actually been quite good so far to start the season.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:37 I'm not sure that's going to continue against a better opponent like uh Utah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:40 That said, wasn't exactly a catastrophe against Iowa.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:44 They were in that game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:44 They kept it close.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:45 They're
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:47 defense, I thought, um, came to play and showed me something there.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:53 Maybe we counted Iowa State out a little too soon.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:56 So I'm willing to be swayed on this one.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:05:58 I'm just really impressed by what we've seen out of Utah thus far.
Dan Rubenstein 01:06:02 Against Bowling Green in Southeast Missouri State, uh is what your Iowa State Jaylen Raynor evidence is
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:06:07 Well, and Iowa.
Dan Rubenstein 01:06:10 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:06:12 I'm picking Utah.
Dan Rubenstein 01:06:13 Did they score a bunch of points against Iowa?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:06:13 I'm not pi No, I'm picking I'm picking Utah.
Dan Rubenstein 01:06:15 Did he lead a bunch of touchdown drives?
Dan Rubenstein 01:06:19 If you believe that Utah is a good team, it's not a terribly difficult pick to take Utah in this spot.
Dan Rubenstein 01:06:27 And I kind of were I I was looking for reasons to take Iowa State at home, tough place to play, afternoon game.
Dan Rubenstein 01:06:35 It's a big number when you don't you haven't seen that evidence of right what's
Dan Rubenstein 01:06:40 it's it's Utah on the road.
Dan Rubenstein 01:06:43 But I don't know man, Iowa State seems especially one dimensional.
Dan Rubenstein 01:06:48 I guess you could bank on this being a lower scoring game, like a twenty to twelve, twenty to fourteen, something like that.
Dan Rubenstein 01:06:53 For Utah winning this one, I just think the defense is fast and angry.
Dan Rubenstein 01:06:58 I think they should be able to run some, and I think there will be opportunity for Devon Dampier over the top.
Dan Rubenstein 01:07:02 So yeah, I'm I'm going to Utah to win this by a couple touchdowns.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:04 Yeah, I'm I'm I'm on Utah here.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:06 All right.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:07 The other one in the three thirty block called this one out.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:10 Boise State, Western Michigan.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:11 It's a seven point line in favor of Boise.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:14 Um Western Michigan wants to run.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:16 That's kind of what they want to do.
Dan Rubenstein 01:07:18 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:19 I think Boise needs to try and make them win it through the air.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:22 I've been impressed with Boise this year.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:23 I've really been impressed with both these teams, but
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:25 I think more so on the Boise side.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:27 I'm inclined to go Boise minus the number.
Dan Rubenstein 01:07:29 I love Boise here.
Dan Rubenstein 01:07:30 I think they win by a couple touchdowns.
Dan Rubenstein 01:07:32 The problem with Western Michigan is the defense hasn't been great.
Dan Rubenstein 01:07:36 They haven't allowed a lot of points, but the offense plays so slowly that
Dan Rubenstein 01:07:40 teams are scoring somewhat when they get the ball and been able to move the ball in western Michigan some.
Dan Rubenstein 01:07:45 I think Boise's gonna be fine in this one.
Dan Rubenstein 01:07:47 So uh I'm going Broncos.
Dan Rubenstein 01:07:49 I guess I have to be more specific.
Dan Rubenstein 01:07:50 I'm going the Boise State Broncos.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:51 The Boise State Broncos.
Dan Rubenstein 01:07:52 I'm going the Mountain Time Zone Broncos.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:55 Let's go to that late block now.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:07:57 This is an unbelievable SEC slate
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:08:04 and we've got a borderline elimination game between Texas A&M and LSU.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:08:08 LSU favored at home by eight and a half points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:08:10 We've talked about these teams a lot.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:08:12 And at least initially when we put this document together, I was gonna put them in the sort of lead block.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:08:20 And you were like, we've talked so much about these teams.
Dan Rubenstein 01:08:23 It's true.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:08:23 Let's give airtime to somebody else.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:08:24 We'll still talk about it, but
Dan Rubenstein 01:08:26 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:08:27 Which flawed quarterback situation do you think survives this game, Dan?
Dan Rubenstein 01:08:31 You think LSU's quarterback situation is flawed?
Dan Rubenstein 01:08:34 Sam Leavitt's good, man.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:08:36 It's good.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:08:36 I don't think Sam Leavitt's been as good as uh maybe some of the preseason hype.
Dan Rubenstein 01:08:43 Okay.
Dan Rubenstein 01:08:43 Um he's he's new to this system.
Dan Rubenstein 01:08:45 I'm I'm gonna cut him a little bit more slack than you are, I guess.
Dan Rubenstein 01:08:48 Um
Dan Rubenstein 01:08:50 I think LSU wins this game.
Dan Rubenstein 01:08:53 I think it's somewhat close, and I don't love where Texas A&M is at right now as a program.
Dan Rubenstein 01:08:58 Inconsistent running.
Dan Rubenstein 01:08:59 Marcel Reed has been at best.
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:01 inconsistent and uneven.
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:03 Um they're beat up at receiver, right?
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:05 Terry Bussey's out for the year.
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:07 Um Bethel Roman, I think, is out, right?
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:10 His health is not in a great place.
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:12 Uh
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:14 there is something about Mike Elko and hopefully the defense and it being a letdown spot for LSU, and I say Mike Elko because I just
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:24 I don't imagine Texas A&M to be disappointing in the same way two weeks in a row when you have a head coach that good.
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:33 And so I think LSU's better.
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:35 They're playing at home.
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:37 I don't like the letdown of it all, but I think they're gonna be happy to be back in Baton Rouge.
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:41 I think it's too many points.
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:42 I think they win this game.
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:44 28 24 27 20 something like that too many points happy to take the points with a well coached A&M team
Dan Rubenstein 01:09:52 even though a lot needs to be fixed, and Lane Kiffin will scheme this LSU offense to take advantage in the way that Will Stein was able to take advantage.
Dan Rubenstein 01:10:00 I just think they're going to be able to fix.
Dan Rubenstein 01:10:01 I think this is going to be a good week of adjustments for AM
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:10:05 Yeah, I mean it's really which version of our sell read do we get?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:10:09 Do we get the dangerous version that everybody was excited about?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:10:13 Do we get the more reckless, inaccurate version that we have seen so far this season?
Dan Rubenstein 01:10:16 Well, he's always dangerous.
Dan Rubenstein 01:10:18 It's just a question of for whom?
Dan Rubenstein 01:10:20 Is he dangerous for his own team?
Dan Rubenstein 01:10:21 Is he dangerous for the other team?
Dan Rubenstein 01:10:23 Oftentimes consecutive drives different.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:10:25 The Marcel Reed thing hasn't just been limited to one game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:10:30 The concern over whether or not he actually has improved
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:10:34 has been, thus far, a season-long thing.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:10:37 Every week I feel like people have written in and asked that same question, or I've seen others writing about that very question.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:10:44 I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe suddenly the switch is going to flip and he's going to go to Tiger Stadium at night and suddenly he's going to be back to like the good version of himself.
Dan Rubenstein 01:10:55 Right.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:10:55 So I worry a little bit and spoke about this on the Monday episode about whether it's the play calling, whether it's what they're putting on his plate.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:04 Remember, there's a new play caller in Holman Wiggins.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:07 I don't believe
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:09 that this is all in the play caller.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:11 Marcel Reed has missed open guys.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:14 There is clearly a disconnect there
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:16 I don't know what it is, and I'm not confident it's going to be sorted out in time for this game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:20 I don't think LSU is a perfect team by any stretch.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:24 I am probably talking more to myself here than you.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:27 Because I was really high on this LSU team.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:29 I still believe they're a very, very good side, but they're probably not as good as I was expecting.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:34 They're just not.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:36 I think they're gonna win this game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:39 I think Marcel Reid definitely has given the AM universe some cause for pause.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:46 But they still have the defense.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:47 It has been an opportunistic defense at that.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:50 I think they will keep this game close.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:53 Points spread here, eight and a half points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:55 I would not want to lay those eight and a half points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:11:57 Not especially in a game where you've got two teams with their backs to the wall that, as I said, in effect could end up being a playoff eliminator.
Dan Rubenstein 01:12:05 How much do you want how much stock are you gonna put in the fact that LSU beat a Clemson team that wasn't starting their best quarterback intentionally?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:12:11 Fifty-one points, winning by 41 points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:12:14 That was doing a lot of heavy lifting with respect to public perception.
Dan Rubenstein 01:12:17 Now you're talking about an LSU defense that's down arguably one of its more b versatile defenders and Deshaun Spears.
Dan Rubenstein 01:12:24 Who that that sort of nickel corner slot corner was able to do a lot for that LSU defense.
Dan Rubenstein 01:12:29 No trade as green.
Dan Rubenstein 01:12:30 Hopefully he's not out for very long
Dan Rubenstein 01:12:32 but this is where you call into question like, okay, Lane Kiffin overhauled this roster and made a bunch of moves, but he hasn't been recruiting in Baton Rouge for three years to build up this depth.
Dan Rubenstein 01:12:44 And so now that we see that depth tested, is AM a good enough, a skilled enough, a well-coached enough team to say, oh
Dan Rubenstein 01:12:52 they're starting this backup here.
Dan Rubenstein 01:12:53 They're starting this backup there.
Dan Rubenstein 01:12:54 Let's make this dude beat us.
Dan Rubenstein 01:12:56 Let's force this dude to show what he is.
Dan Rubenstein 01:12:59 That to me is an interesting part of the LSU story moving forward.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:03 Uh, we got Missouri at Mississippi State at seven forty-five.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:07 Mississippi State favored by six and a half points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:09 Suddenly everyone's in on Mississippi State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:11 I don't
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:12 have any reason not to be.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:14 Uh we ranked them.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:15 We probably should have ranked them a week earlier.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:17 Mississippi State has very much look for real.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:20 They have looked apart.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:23 Zuri has been sort of quietly ranked.
Dan Rubenstein 01:13:27 I mean that's their MO.
Dan Rubenstein 01:13:29 It's Mizzou, like they're ranked.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:31 Kamario Taylor has obviously taken the college football world by storm.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:36 Missouri had a game a week ago against Troy that was sloppy.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:40 I don't think Troy's a bad team, but it was sloppy.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:13:43 And so there's a question of, all right, is that an indicator of anything now as they go into this game with Mississippi State?
Dan Rubenstein 01:13:49 I kind of really like Mizzouu here.
Dan Rubenstein 01:13:51 I know I'm I'm going sort of uh the opposite way on a lot of conventional wisdom, and I'm going against momentum in some ways with some of these picks.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:00 Mizzou did not have a good week last week.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:03 There it there was something off about the passing game.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:06 I think the defense is decent.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:09 And I think we're also looking at a Mississippi State team new to this moment.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:14 And I think they're great.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:16 I think they have the best player in this game in Kamario Taylor.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:18 I think what the defense has transformed into this year is super impressive.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:21 I think they're gonna win this game.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:24 I think this is a tough spot.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:26 So an emotional win, I would say, against South Carolina, their first SEC road game of the season.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:31 Coming home, believe they have Bama next week.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:33 Do they not, Mississippi State?
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:35 I think this is a good old get your finger on the button Ty.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:39 A good old letdown look-ahead sandwich here for Mississippi State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:14:43 Wow.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:14:45 That's interesting.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:47 I think they win.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:48 I think the number's too big.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:14:51 And we confirm that Bama is on the slate next week.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:55 Bama is for Mississippi State.
Dan Rubenstein 01:14:57 Bama is one hundred percent uh on the road in Starkville October third.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:03 How did I miss that?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:04 I uh again, if I am preaching at the altar of letdowns and look-aheads as I did earlier with that Ole Miss Florida game.
Dan Rubenstein 01:15:12 Yeah
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:13 That's a really, really interesting setup.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:16 I'm not high on Mizzouu.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:19 I'm really not.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:21 I'd feel better about Mizzouu if Ahmad Hardy were back.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:24 But he's not there yet.
Dan Rubenstein 01:15:25 He's not even like practicing.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:27 He's he's trying to work his way back.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:29 It's gonna be a minute before he's back with that roster.
Dan Rubenstein 01:15:31 I think this is tight, snug
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:33 I'm not crazy about this setup on the Mizzouu side.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:37 And I feel pretty confident that Mississippi State's gonna win.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:41 But as a vampire, you're right.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:51 Little bit of a letdown look ahead situation for those Mississippi State Klangaklangas.
Dan Rubenstein 01:15:56 The only thing that had me the other direction was it's kind of a cool homecoming after going on the road for those couple games against Minnesota and South Carolina.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:15:58 Märkata.
Dan Rubenstein 01:16:06 That like now Kamario Taylor they legitimately have the return of a Heisman candidate.
Dan Rubenstein 01:16:11 He didn't leave a Heisman candidate, he's returning a Heisman candidate.
Dan Rubenstein 01:16:15 The energy is going to be ridiculous.
Dan Rubenstein 01:16:17 It kind of always is in Starkville.
Dan Rubenstein 01:16:19 But
Dan Rubenstein 01:16:20 that to me, I think this is gonna be a fun hopefully a fun tight game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:16:25 I think Mississippi State wins this game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:16:27 I think it's 34 31.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:16:28 I think it's fun as hell.
Dan Rubenstein 01:16:30 Yeah, I have thirty to twenty-seven
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:16:31 You mentioned Bama, South Carolina is coming to Alabama.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:16:34 Alabama's a twelve and a half point favorite.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:16:37 Um LaNorris Sellers struggled against Mississippi State.
Dan Rubenstein 01:16:40 Yeah, I have Alabama covering this.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:16:42 He had a bunch of clean pockets, but he threw two picks.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:16:45 Kind of hesitant.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:16:46 Mechanics were wonky.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:16:48 I don't feel great about this matchup for South Carolina, if I'm being honest with you.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:16:51 You could probably make a case that
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:16:54 Alabama, how they looked a week ago, giving up 36 points, definitely not ideal.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:00 You could make a case if you really want to that, oh, maybe they're a little bit more vulnerable in the passing game than we thought initially.
Dan Rubenstein 01:17:05 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:07 I still tend to favor Keelon Russell against the South Carolina secondary that prove that it still can give up multiple explosive plays in a game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:17 And potentially if what we saw out of Keelon Russell against Florida State carries over, this could be another breakout statistical performance for him.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:24 So I'm with you.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:25 Give me Bama minus the number.
Dan Rubenstein 01:17:27 I just think you need to score a ton of points to beat Bama.
Dan Rubenstein 01:17:30 And I just I don't see the pop from this South Carolina offense right now.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:35 I'm gonna give you three more games, okay?
Dan Rubenstein 01:17:37 Please
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:37 Three more games.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:39 11 p.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:39 m.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:39 on Fox, a late one.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:41 Minnesota on the road at Washington.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:42 Washington favored by nine and a half points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:45 There is no way I'm laying nine and a half points on the Washington side.
Dan Rubenstein 01:17:49 You're not leaning into the weird.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:50 No.
Dan Rubenstein 01:17:51 It doesn't bother you that Minnesota has not won a road game since nineteen thirty-one.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:17:57 A little bit, yeah.
Dan Rubenstein 01:17:57 They're terrible on the road, Ty.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:18:00 Washington's been terrible in general.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:02 I wouldn't go as far as terrible.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:04 They've won their games.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:06 It's better than losing their games.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:07 They've been hurt on offense.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:08 The defense has been pretty good.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:10 Damon Williams has been very confusing.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:11 Has not looked like Damon Williams consistently.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:15 But
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:15 Minnesota, man, they lost to last year's Cal comfortably flying out west.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:18:20 I know.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:18:21 I know.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:18:21 And Darius Taylor is a bit uncertain in this game, so that that needs to factor in as well.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:26 He hasn't run all that well, even when he's playing this year.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:18:29 I'm just not I just don't this is more a vote of or or a lack of confidence in the Washington offense than it is a vote of confidence in Minnesota.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:37 That's fine.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:40 I just think Minnesota on the road is we're talking about like a recent Rutgers loss.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:46 I'm just for whatever reason they do not get their players ready to go.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:50 And I still think the best of Washington Washington will take this game seriously.
Dan Rubenstein 01:18:55 I think you need to score 30 plus points to beat Washington under normal circumstances.
Dan Rubenstein 01:19:00 25 points, and I don't see it for Minnesota.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:02 All right, travel back in time, two left.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:05 8 p.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:05 m.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:06 Fox Northwestern on the road at number five Indiana, Indiana, favored by 21 points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:10 Is there any reason to go northwestern here?
Dan Rubenstein 01:19:12 No, especially since I can't shake that I have seen turnovers from Aidan Chiles that have been of the boneheaded variety
Dan Rubenstein 01:19:18 can't give those to Indiana.
Dan Rubenstein 01:19:19 So as as much as they've been more fun this year, I'm gonna lay the points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:22 I think I'm with you.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:24 I think I'm with you.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:25 They have been more fun this year, and I am a little bit leery about that game that we're both going to be in a 10 is for.
Dan Rubenstein 01:19:31 That's true.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:32 Next week in week five to open up Ryan Field, new Ryan Field, we'll be there.
Dan Rubenstein 01:19:36 Penn State
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:37 If you're going to be there tailgating, going into the game, hanging out around the game, please give us a shout, solidverbal at gmail.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:45 com
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:45 uh I do have my can koozies that I'm gonna bring out that we can hand out to people.
Dan Rubenstein 01:19:49 Oh, nice.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:50 So if you're gonna be there, let us know.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:51 All right.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:52 We'll stop by and we'll
Dan Rubenstein 01:19:52 Yeah, we'll see you there.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:53 Give you some freebies.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:54 Final game here is another one of my locks of the week.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:57 Where is it?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:58 I'm losing track.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:19:59 Oh my gosh.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:20:00 There it is.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:20:06 1030 ESPN Clemson at Cal right now.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:20:09 Cal favored by one.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:20:11 Give me everything I can get on Cal.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:20:14 Lock it up.
Dan Rubenstein 01:20:14 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:20:15 I'm all in on Cal in this game.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:20:17 I have no idea which direction Clemson is headed.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:20:20 Clemson, yes, they won last week.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:20:22 Yes, now they're fully in the Tait Reynolds era.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:20:25 He is your QB1.
Dan Rubenstein 01:20:25 Offense moved the ball some as the game went on after like the delay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:20:29 Traveling three time zones west, one fewer day on a shorter week, going up against Jaron-Keawe Sagapolutele.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:20:38 Give me the Golden Bears minus whatever.
Dan Rubenstein 01:20:40 Yeah, I I think you covered it neatly, although I don't love Cal.
Dan Rubenstein 01:20:44 I just think situationally it's uh an advantageous spot for them, especially like the long weird game last week.
Dan Rubenstein 01:20:50 Um, I think it's gonna be a different animal.
Dan Rubenstein 01:20:52 I think Cal should be able to get by and maybe force a couple turnovers, but I don't think it's pretty.
Dan Rubenstein 01:20:59 I think it's you know, twenty to thirteen, twenty to eighteen, something like that.
Dan Rubenstein 01:21:03 They barely cover.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:05 Very quick, some under the radar games, Dan.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:07 I'm gonna rocket through these, all right?
Dan Rubenstein 01:21:09 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:10 Friday, 4 p.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:11 m.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:11 Army minus three on the road at Temple.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:13 Interesting, interesting game in the American.
Dan Rubenstein 01:21:14 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:16 7 PM ESPN Navy minus 7 on the road at UAB.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:20 Only minus 7 at UAB?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:22 Interesting game in the American
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:23 let's go to Saturday, 3.
Dan Rubenstein 01:21:24 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:25 30, FS1, TCU minus 3 on the road at UCF.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:29 I love TCU here.
Dan Rubenstein 01:21:32 Really?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:32 Love, love, love TCU.
Dan Rubenstein 01:21:33 UCF Explosive Running Team?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:36 True.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:36 I love TCU.
Dan Rubenstein 01:21:38 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:38 I love the Jaden Craig to Ed Small connection that's been exploding over these last couple weeks.
Dan Rubenstein 01:21:42 So they're another pirate road swab the deck scurvy Saturday team prove they're not what they were in Dublin.
Dan Rubenstein 01:21:47 Okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:48 330 CBS Sports Network.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:50 New Mexico minus 11 against New Mexico State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:21:53 I only mention it because it's the real grand rivalry or the battle for I-25 depends on your nomenclature.
Dan Rubenstein 01:21:58 Yes.
Dan Rubenstein 01:21:58 Um Nebraska on the road for the first time against Michigan State of note.
Dan Rubenstein 01:22:02 See what they are as they uh
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:03 I will happily take the points there.
Dan Rubenstein 01:22:07 Take the points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:08 Nebraska minus five and a half on the road at Michigan State.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:11 Michigan State I thought looked kind of plucky defensively.
Dan Rubenstein 01:22:13 Okay, I don't hate it.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:14 I'll take points.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:15 I'll take points there.
Dan Rubenstein 01:22:15 Okay.
Dan Rubenstein 01:22:16 Next.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:16 Um three, what do we got here?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:18 Oh, six.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:18 Six PM ESPM plus James Madison minus five and a half against ODU.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:22 Should be an interesting matchup in the P
Dan Rubenstein 01:22:24 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:24 Or in the uh G6, excuse me.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:26 7 p.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:27 m.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:27 ESPN two, we've got Kansas State minus six and a half on the road at Cincinnati.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:32 Interesting matchup there.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:34 Um 9 p.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:36 m.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:36 UMass minus four and a half against Sacramento State.
Dan Rubenstein 01:22:39 Trying to get to four baby.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:41 Cross country travel for UMass.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:43 In the Mac, weird setup.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:45 And last but certainly not least, 1030 ESPN, Georgia Tech minus 3.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:50 5 on the road at Stanford.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:22:52 I will take Georgia Tech.
Dan Rubenstein 01:22:53 Disappointing year for Georgia Tech thus far.
Dan Rubenstein 01:22:55 Uh and they're super beat up, I think, on the offensive line.
Dan Rubenstein 01:22:59 This one seems dangerous.
Dan Rubenstein 01:23:00 This one seems like a lot of danger for Georgia Tech late at night out west.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:23:06 That was a lot of games, Dan.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:23:08 My lips are parched.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:23:09 I'm getting a little tired.
Dan Rubenstein 01:23:11 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:23:11 We got some editing in front of us.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:23:13 It's all okay.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:23:14 We're excited about week four.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:23:15 We would encourage everybody to not only call in the reverb line 855-Verbal 3.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:23:20 But also join us out on YouTube, out on XThe Everything app, out on TikTok as we broadcast a reaction show live.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:23:27 That will be midnight Eastern time after most of the week four games have reached a conclusion.
Dan Rubenstein 01:23:34 Well, before we do that, Ty, before we reach Saturday, do me a favor now that you're talking about your mouth getting too tired, Ty.
Dan Rubenstein 01:23:42 Drop that big stanky gyrating drum and fife
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:23:50 Baby oh baby oh baby baby.
Dan Rubenstein 01:23:53 That was good.
Dan Rubenstein 01:23:53 That was you you brought it there.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:23:55 Saturday high noon.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:23:58 You might be watching Texas.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:00 I'm gonna be watching Bucknell at Pitt in the battle for Pennsylvania.
Dan Rubenstein 01:24:04 Yeah, buddy.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:04 Gimme Pitt.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:05 Give me Pitt minus whatever, Dan.
Dan Rubenstein 01:24:05 Uh Pitbig
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:07 Saturday, 1230, Columbia on the road, multi-sport field squaring off against the Georgetown Hoyas.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:14 We have no reason to go in against Georgetown, right?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:16 Gotta go Georgetown.
Dan Rubenstein 01:24:17 I'm going Georgetown at home in the Hornets Nest.
Dan Rubenstein 01:24:19 Yep.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:19 Saturday, twelve thirty, Holy Cross on the road at Lafayette Fisher Stadium, Dan.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:23 Are you gonna be there?
Dan Rubenstein 01:24:25 I would like to be there, but I will not be there.
Dan Rubenstein 01:24:27 That's a big game, Laffyat minus anything.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:30 Saturday, one p.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:31 m.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:31 Stonybrook on the road at Fordham.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:32 Give me Fordham.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:33 That's an easy one for Fordham, I think.
Dan Rubenstein 01:24:34 I'm going fordom.
Dan Rubenstein 01:24:35 It's been a weird year, but give me Fordeman.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:37 Saturday, 1 p.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:38 m.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:38 , Lehigh on the road, traveling down south, I-476, the Schuylkill Expressway over to UPenn.
Dan Rubenstein 01:24:48 Lehigh travels.
Dan Rubenstein 01:24:50 They they're gonna bring the crowds.
Dan Rubenstein 01:24:51 Uh I'm gonna go Lehigh.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:53 I'm gonna go Penn.
Dan Rubenstein 01:24:54 Whoa, Quakers
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:55 Yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:56 Saturday, 2 p.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:57 m.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:57 Furman on the road at Richmond.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:24:58 The Spiders.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:25:00 I'm going Furman here.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:25:01 I think Furman wins that one.
Dan Rubenstein 01:25:02 I'm going Richmond here.
Dan Rubenstein 01:25:03 Spiders, nice bounce back.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:25:05 Saturday, two thirty, Colgate on the road at Villanova, Villanova.
Dan Rubenstein 01:25:10 Nova, big
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:25:12 Last but certainly not least, we've got William and Mary on the road at Duke.
Dan Rubenstein 01:25:17 Both of them?
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:25:19 Duke!
Dan Rubenstein 01:25:19 Duke's Duke's gonna destroy him.
Dan Rubenstein 01:25:21 Limb from limb.
Dan Rubenstein 01:25:22 Walker Eget.
Dan Rubenstein 01:25:23 Nice little bounce back.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:25:24 Dude's been solid, yeah.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:25:26 Good.
Dan Rubenstein 01:25:26 Defending champ.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:25:28 We covered a lot of ground.
Ty Hildenbrandt 01:25:30 This is an hour and thirty minute show.
Dan Rubenstein 01:25:32 Yeah.
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